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Question re exploration and the Orca

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-07-17 20:20:28 UTC
Some really good advice and info in this thread.

Back a few years ago exploration sites were plentiful in most systems and explorers didn't need to haul various ships around with them.

However due to the massive amount of competition now happening in high sec, players usually travel through a dozen or more systems just to find a site to run.

Nowadays having a dedicated Transport ship to haul various sized rigged ships for high sec exploration is definitely needed. With all the different probing implants, modules and rigs available the Orca could easily be both Hauler and Scanning ship.



DMC
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#22 - 2014-07-17 21:58:53 UTC
Also if you do train the 2nd pilot enough you can use him to run mindlinks the orca can run 3 of them. The you can park it at a safe in system for your own mobile station with boosting.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-07-21 01:57:04 UTC
I used to do this for w-space solo PvP efforts. The orca would be my home-base allowing me to swap ship types and setups without heading out to station systems, or dropping my own POS.
The critical tools I used when getting the orca into and between w-systems was careful surveillance, a cloak, a MWD-warp setup (described above), offgrid bookmarks, and a pair of falcons just in case. Never lost an orca but managed to lose most everything else at one time or another.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Spud Lazair
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-07-21 09:12:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Spud Lazair
thanks for the additional info.

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#25 - 2014-07-24 13:47:43 UTC
Well the HiSec Orca+Exploration is really ONLY for HiSec recommended. Of course, it is possible to use it in Low and NullSec, but that is risky and you will have to pay to learn by losing a lot of ISK in the beginning.

Locust Technique in HiSec:

In this way the combination of the Orca and some other boats give you the opportunity to get out the most of any site you find. Dont mix this this up with "benefit", it is mandatory to reamin in the black numbers on your account. Simply use a scanning Frig to find sites, and hack or analyze them. Use the reaming top slot(s) for salvage issues.

Transport a crusier class ship with orca. Of course a HAC is the best choice for combat sites of DED 3/10 or 4/10.
The cruiser vessel should be equipped for PVE combat. With that ship you can - depending on skills - do the most combat sites, fly in, clear them, and then salvage the wrecks and take out every little piece of loot.

For sites that wont allow you to pass with a cruiser size a small combat frig or destroyer class ship is optimal. And it can be transported with the Orca.

Transport a mining barque also and have the skills for ore, ice and gas. Not that it will make you rich or so. But it is great to harvest stuff which is in the plex sites.

The rest of the Orca's ship hangar can be used for a salvage vessel or simply to have backup ships for special purposes.

Especially since the release of CRIUS a small POS with lab and/or manufacturing gives you much more possibilities. You dont need faction anymore in HiSec to place it now! This is really Indepedence for small sized corps.

Locust in LowSec:
Well, dangerous for the Orca. I wouldnt recommend to bring the Orca in LowSec. But with a POS in bay that can provide you a safespot, it might be a plan. Especially mining is big point.

Locust in NullSec:
Dont use gates. Use WHs for short trips in and out. Just robb the system and if you feel it isnt too risky, neighbour systems too. Dont go for combat sites, just take data and relics. Especially relic sites are very profitable in 0.

Expeditions:
YES. Do them. They are the big credits, at least sometimes.

Escalations:
Well. Yes, when you know what's ahead. No, when you dont have enough information or experience about certain situations.
In one of them a battlefleet will warp in after like 20 mins. The first time i did the expedition, not knowing that it escalates when you remain in site, the fleet caught me pants down with my **** in my hand while i was salvaging. Some subcapital (Dread?) took out my HAC with 2 volleys and my Orca made it out on hull leaving me back with shivering hands and a toon in a capsule.

Covert Anos:
HiSec, well yes. But mind that some are really dangerous with 1 vessel.

Anos:
If you are bored or there are so many and you stay in a constellation for some days: YES, and salvage all.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-07-25 09:19:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Why are you carting around all those ships? You said you have a Stratios....?

The strat is more than capable of doing all of highsec exploration in one compact easy package...

[Stratios, Exploration (Hi-sec)]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Bouncer II x4
Garde II x4
Hammerhead II x6
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x6
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x2
Salvage Drone I x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

A bit of bling because i have a mountain of armour faction stuff, but i have yet to find a site this cant handle (in hi-sec).
Pull range, drop sentries, start shooting things as they come towards you, main problem is locking frigs fast enough.

If you dont mind the hassel you could take a mobile depo and tweak your fit for the job (specific hardeners, dropping the scanning equipment etc) but not strictly needed....

No Worries

Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#27 - 2014-07-25 09:33:02 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Why are you carting around all those ships? You said you have a Stratios....?

The strat is more than capable of doing all of highsec exploration in one compact easy package....


You might have missed the point, if you were replying to my post. :)

Sure, you are absolutely right. I was just answering the question about how and what with the Orca. Of course there are many different and also very profitable ways to make ISK with Exploration.

I stopped being doing anything in HiSec, beside checking ways over Wormholes to 0Sec and explore there. Of course only with T3, Stratios is a bit too risky in Nullsec, i prefer to be immune to any Bubbles, Interdictors and Heavy Interdictors, and this is a T3 benefit :)
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-07-25 09:49:34 UTC
Ikonia wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
Why are you carting around all those ships? You said you have a Stratios....?

The strat is more than capable of doing all of highsec exploration in one compact easy package....


You might have missed the point, if you were replying to my post. :)

Sure, you are absolutely right. I was just answering the question about how and what with the Orca. Of course there are many different and also very profitable ways to make ISK with Exploration.

I stopped being doing anything in HiSec, beside checking ways over Wormholes to 0Sec and explore there. Of course only with T3, Stratios is a bit too risky in Nullsec, i prefer to be immune to any Bubbles, Interdictors and Heavy Interdictors, and this is a T3 benefit :)


Just a general statement to the thread Blink

I see an Orca as a transport and a fleet ship... i really couldnt live out of one personally Roll

No Worries

Spud Lazair
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-07-25 10:31:05 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Ikonia wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
Why are you carting around all those ships? You said you have a Stratios....?

The strat is more than capable of doing all of highsec exploration in one compact easy package....


You might have missed the point, if you were replying to my post. :)

Sure, you are absolutely right. I was just answering the question about how and what with the Orca. Of course there are many different and also very profitable ways to make ISK with Exploration.

I stopped being doing anything in HiSec, beside checking ways over Wormholes to 0Sec and explore there. Of course only with T3, Stratios is a bit too risky in Nullsec, i prefer to be immune to any Bubbles, Interdictors and Heavy Interdictors, and this is a T3 benefit :)


Just a general statement to the thread Blink

I see an Orca as a transport and a fleet ship... i really couldnt live out of one personally Roll



thanks for your reply and the stratios fit. i don't plan to live out of the orca as such, it was more of a solution to my transportation issues, and exploration phase of mind i am going through.

is a stratios allowed in ded 1 and 2's aswell as 3 and 4's?

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-07-25 20:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
Spud Lazair wrote:


is a stratios allowed in ded 1 and 2's aswell as 3 and 4's?


3 and higher , its mostly based on ship size, apart of T3 :)

EDIT: sidenotes on highsec exploration

- highsec relic sites are extremely uneventful
- covops seems overkill, also drone ship and cpu...
- geckos - with some tracking modules they oneshot frigates, what you will meet most of the time
- depending on rat faction, you might get away with passive shield tank
- personally i use cargo scanner only for ghost sites, commander rats you want to salvage anyways for a chance of t2, 5-20m worth of salvage is nothing to snicker about, if he doesnt drop anytghing else :)
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#31 - 2014-07-27 06:06:40 UTC
Ikonia wrote:
Add:

If you want to let the orca drift alone do the following:

Make free account.
Fleet up with Orca.
Rookie ship targets the Orca.
Nobody can enter a targeted ship. You cant also. Mind that.

But - when u have a discconect in this situation it is unarmed and alone.



It seems kind of crazy to me that this is not considered an exploit.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-07-28 05:59:11 UTC
Below is my fitting. I love my Big *****.

She has 347k EHP w/ T2 Bulkhead rigs. 314k EHP with just T1 Bulkhead rigs if you want to go cheaper(They're only 35m each, so might as well go T2.)
Fit needs max fitting skills, but no implants.

[Orca, Traveler]

Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher II
Salvager II

Large Transverse Bulkhead II <---only 35m each in Jita
Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Large Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

I use an alt that runs all my sites, and another alt that scans further systems. I mainly just sit in system cloaked up waiting in this Orca with my main. I use this in wormholes too, never lost it either. It's a great ship. Fun to fly. Also great to have a mobile depot to deploy to change fitting in space too. Still works solo in K-Space. Just use stations to reship for sites. It's nice to be able to scan the system from the Orca.

If you go for all tank and dont mind slow align times, put a Reinforced Bulkheads II and a second Large Shield Extender II, dropping your MWD and Reactor. That will give you 427k EHP.
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-07-29 05:40:45 UTC
Ikonia wrote:

Escalations:
Well. Yes, when you know what's ahead. No, when you dont have enough information or experience about certain situations.
In one of them a battlefleet will warp in after like 20 mins. The first time i did the expedition, not knowing that it escalates when you remain in site, the fleet caught me pants down with my **** in my hand while i was salvaging. Some subcapital (Dread?) took out my HAC with 2 volleys and my Orca made it out on hull leaving me back with shivering hands and a toon in a capsule.

heh, happened to me too
"this expedition is boring, just a few cruiser to kill"...
"wait, wth is that!"
"warp warp, why _WHITE_ npc are scrambling me from 130km without getting red?"
nasty, ccp, that was really nasty.
Sentenced 1989
#34 - 2014-07-29 08:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentenced 1989
[Orca, Multipurpose Orca]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Gist B-Type 100MN Afterburner
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II

Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Large Transverse Bulkhead II

Salvage Drone I x5

Here is one more option. It doesn't do 10 second warp since you have AB, but 2 cycles of AB with perfect skills are 15 seconds, 16 with decent nav skills, so you trade 5-6 seconds of longer time to enter warp but in return you get 400k EHP.

Also, if you plan on leaving orca without pilot in space, lock it up with alt. Once you have a ship lock, only previous pilot can enter the ship. True, somebody can still fire off a jammer on you to break the lock and take the orca but it's not that everybody flies around with jammers and an alt to take the orca (if he fires jammer on you, he will go GCC on his toon, and if he boards the orca he is going to have a bad time in it)

BTW, high slots are what ever you desire / need
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