EVE General Discussion

Most of the people in new eden are active on forums?

But he's going. No really he is, just you wait.

Sadly, it's not.

EvE isn't a true sandbox. It's a corridor shooter.

people shoot people -> people make stuff to shoot with -> people shoot people making stuff to shoot with.

EvE is geared all around shooting. Period.

90% of my suggestions are to increase the envelope of the 'sand box' to cater for those that want to be able to lock the doors on their house, want to live in 'unknown' space and want some peace and quiet. Now I know this will incite flames left right and center, and I appreciate that. What I'm asking is not what the corridor shooter is all about, some may argue it can be done if you're willing to start shooting, and keep shooting... that's not my point, it defies my point. In life, we all have our front doors, we all have double glazing.. we come home from work, we take our jackets off, we can shut the noise out; the "outside chaos", and sit on the sofa with our family, and kick our shoes off and relax. You cant do that in EvE because it's a corridor shooter. In many ways, EvE experience is similar to Battlefield for newbros - spawn die. spawn die. spawn die... spawn die. YES newbros dont expect this, and it becomes a sharp lesson, and probably many wont survive the trial period.. It is what it is. I have been playing since mid 2009, and i'm still knife edge as to whether EvE really is the game for me. BUT, it's really the only palatable 'spaceship' game out there with any real guts to it, and I'm responsible for atleast 7 other permanent eve residence, so I have tried to do my part. Because of the nature of the PvP corridor shooter thing, and no possibility to sandbox you way to seclusion, we make do; barely. Seems there's some competitors looming on the horizon that -may- cater a little more to what I / some of us would like to see... i have no idea yet, but, as a result, i'm going to check them out. In the meantime, my voice is about the things I am looking for, and the things that could stop me looking elsewhere. Admittedly I'm looking for things I personally want to see, so appreciating the fact that i'm just one little insignificant person on this beach pre-occupied by others, I dont expect anything to change just for me, and, I feel few vocal forum dwellers even agree 1% with me.. it's the silent thoughts of those that try EvE, dont say a word, and discard it that I feel bad about. So anyone being vocal even if it's pure crap coming out of their mouth, I STILL respect for being vocal in the first place, rather than being one that says nothing and provides zero to help EvE.. I'm always of the philosophy that unless you hear all the voices, you may miss that one tiny voice that holds that all important key epiphany.

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Hey Aralyn thanks for the cool reply. You're right, nothing you say is incorrect. Bit of a background on me / us - from our perspective there's 9 real life friends in eve (that i coaxed to play!), we have a corp, and established enough in High Sec for the third time. It's fairly difficult for all of us to be on at the same time, but try to be mostly on, in mass twice, maybe 3 times a week for a couple of hours. We have tried NULL sec, for a time joined another corp renting in Catch, but, since we aren't on a lot, I logged in to find the pos gone and a stream of in game mails about xyz attacking it all. Sure we pretty much invested everything in to that short project, and what we did have was the ships we logged out in, and lost them in bubble camps trying to limp back to high. So it really put us off trying that in the future. Even now we're still recovering. We tried wormholes, and spent at least half of the time ice mining (before the ice changes), and the rest building POS fuels from PI. in the end we spent so much of the short time allocation just keeping the POS alive, and were forced to recruit, and enlisted a few newbros who at first were great, but that soon turned sour when during our 'off' time, they attacked the POS, and only because one of my friends logged in as they were attacking it we realised the sting. Because we had been mining for ice, we were able to scan an entrance from the inside the WH, but the attackers camped the wh entrance and prevented us from getting in all the while bashed the POS. two of my friends logged in at 2am after I texted them but, it was futile, they got podded trying - out numbered, out gunned, 2am... it weren't happening for us. We left what was left of the POS to its fate.

So our experience:

NULL just isn't happening, cant afford to rent on our time budget, cant apply 24/7 activity.

Wormhole, impossible odds, not enough of us dedicating enough time for it to be viable, and with the new ICE changes, impossible to fuel our POS, and too expensive to buy what we need.

Recruiting, just cannot trust anyone out side our 'circle of friends'.

It's a harsh reality. Need to be either in some galactic empire like Goonswarm, that pretty much guarantees your safety, or, we need to be able to 'create' our own system and somehow lock the doors, with the ability to harvest the POS fuels from within. Neither is happening any time soon.

Trying hard to keep my friends interested... We meet up for a meal every fortnight, and I'm great at giving the "enthusiastic speech" to keep them motivated.. but, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse - we tried, we failed. Now we're HIGH SEC level 4 dwellers, not what we want to be, but it's all we have.

Sob story aye, but just in case folks want to bash me, they know my background a bit better, and that we have tried! (and i'm not some value-less cry 'baby') :)

Thanks again for reading!

New players are critical yes, but that does not mean you need to alter the game mechanics for them. Especially in EVE's case, where if you do that you will chase away the paying 90% in the favor of the trial 10% that may or may not continue to sub.
EVE is hard.
People don't want hard when when paying 15 Euros monthly to play internet spaceships.
And because it's hard and the learning curve is steep, most that make it through gain a feeling of self-entitlement- because you know, they hardened the frak up.
What CCP needs to do IMO is to create a more comprehensive and newbro-friendly NPE, HOWEVER - as EVE is a sandbox this cannot be achieved (without altering the game) without the help of the player-run corporations who should involve themselves more in recruiting people who are fresh out of the trials.
I personally stayed in the game because I'm stubborn as **** and them SOE ships. But if it we talk like fun/dollar value, EVE is not fun. If you want quick fun (which most people do) they turn to other MMOs (which although are less evolved and more routine-based, have more bang for buck so to say).

Exactly. i'll never get those people who say "there is no right path".

Right path in EVE: "Damn, something is in my way. I better find a way to go around it, over it, under it, through it,face it head on and beat it or trick it into destroying itself so I can proceed....and while Im at it I'll figure out a way to make a tidy profit on the whole experience. If none of that works, maybe I need to reevaluate my goals in the 1st place".

Wrong pathin EVE (and life): "WAHHHHH, EVE isn't giving me what I want despite the fact that im doing everything wrong. CCP FIX IT".

Imagine some of the whiner types were the people who made Star Wars. The droids would still be scrap, Jabbe the hut would still be banging Leia, Luke would never get to kiss his own sister and Han would lose space races because the Falcon would be 2 parsecs too slow. All while they wait for someone to 'fix' the empire for them instead of them fighting it.

Of course we understand. When I say "Maybe EVE isn't for you." It generally follows a derogatory comment the individual has made about something inherently EVE that they hate, Like scamming or PVP.

Those things are a part of EVE, so if you hate it... then maybe EVE is not for you. I think this is a very reasonable comment to make to someone who hates the core values of what they are playing. They had their chance, and they are bitching, so get out.

I know EVE needs people to pay for it, but I don't want more people at the cost of a lamer player-base. A lame player base will result in the same thing as a defunded game... with me not playing it.

Needs more “ruined forever”, like so.

Eve is many things but stupid it is not

Outdated?

Full of Pricks?

Have fun wherever you have moved on to. I'm pretty sure the ripples of your involvement with eve will fade fairly quickly

There shouldn't be a right path in EvE. Not unless everyone who calls it a sandbox are completely wrong. I think it is more that YOU don't want something new. YOU want stagnation because YOU have figured out a path that works for YOU and want others to follow that path so YOU do not have to change/adapt.

This is exactly how counter culture gets boring and fades away.

EvE has plenty of room for new players with new ideas who should be allowed to play the game the way they want to play.