EVE General Discussion

Solo players are fine as long as they generate content. I am not an organizer. I never have been. I generate content by shooting people in lowsec, bumping miners in highsec, and exploring in null which gives people a target(me). Sometimes I see other explorers and I shoot them. I've never been much for corps. I try but it just isn't me. But I do make a strong effort to arm and teach every new player I meet, so that they can generate content. I don't think this a particularly bad route. I may not be a member of a community, but I am a member of THE community. Soloers are content generators of a different color. Just not in highsec.

You say this as if you are under the delusion that growth in EVE is low enough to make a big deal out of. Of course, it's not like this thread doesn't pop up on the forums every now and again, so I could deduce that you are merely trolling. If that's the case, then you're an idiot. If you are serious, then you are confused. For one thing, it is not possible to force someone to quit the game, be they new or old. If someone is going to quit, then they are going to make the choice to quit, and anyone who quits EVE was always going to quit anyway, the same as any game.

See, games of all kinds are made for a target audience. It is the same as any entertainment, be it books, movies, music, etc, there will always be a target audience. Someone outside the target audience may indeed try out what is not intended for them, and they may find they enjoy it, but, most of the time, they will move on to something else. Can you name any one game, any one movie, or any one book that pleased everybody? There isn't one, not even the best selling book in the world, the Bible, pleases everyone.

Those players, new or old, that quit, were always going to quit. Maybe they found something more interesting, maybe they didn't like EVE. It doesn't matter, but you cannot cater to everyone. You have to pick your audience, a select group of people that you intend to entertain and/or please. As soon as you try to cater to everyone, please everyone, then you only disappoint everyone.

This game isn't for everyone, but it survives on the audience it has, it lasts on the audience it pleases. That's how subscription games are funded, by the people that enjoy them. And if there is an existing audience of a certain type, then there is a potential audience of that same type as well. If you want to increase your audience, then you have to do it very delicately, because the last thing you want to do is displease all of your audience That is how subscription based games lose all their funding in one go. EVE's formula is well proven, and you need look no further than the decade of success it has behind it for that proof.

So if you're going to pretend to care about CCP's profits, then at least have a fundamental understanding of how audiences work to begin with, because you don't make more money just by trying to increase that audience, you give the existing audience more incentive to spend money. CCP did this right with the new NES store, and the new features for PLEX such as dual character training. I, for one, sub monthly with a debit card, and I buy PLEX with the same card for the purposes of making isk in-game to finance my PVP. I do this because I personally consider it to be worth the money. If I'm the only one, then I'm an outlier, but somehow I don't think I am an outlier. CCP will have the data, of course, and if I was an outlier, then something would have changed by now.

Thing is though, I'm not an outlier, but the people who try EVE, and quit, compared to how many stay, are an outlier, at least in regards to CCP's profits, or there would have been some big changes made to the game a LONG time ago. CCP know their audience, though, and they know who they're catering to. At least, that's how I see it, and what makes sense to me. And it doesn't even seem to be made up exclusively with 'psychos' either, so your concerns are, as they ever are when this thread pops up, null and void.

Do you understand how gaming message boards are filled? With players pretending to be such bad-****s that they can tell crybabies to go away? With fake-hard pilots of fake spaceships?

It's not about wanting other players to leave the game. It's about being *seen* wanting other players to leave. Don't confuse Internet posturing with any player's real attitude.

I didnt read all the comments, so maybe this is sarcasm explained in other posts; but if its not...

This is a terrible idea and not in the spirit of EvE at all. Please dont think of stupid **** like this ever again in the context of EvE Online.

Heh, pvp arenas

Next, flagging

As I joined EvE few months ago, I've seen nothing but a helpful and friendly attitude from older players towards myself.

From what I understand, it boils down to this:

• New players in general are a good thing
• New players who don't like the game and want to have it changed away from what the other players like, are not good.

As, apparently, there aren't many games around which allow for the sort of experience as playing EvE does, those who enjoy EvE understandably react sensitive to attempts to change their beloved game.
And, as is often the case, the discontent people are more vocal on average, so the newbies who enjoy playing the game are probably underrepresented here.
Add to that trolling and attitude like you have on all game forums, and you'll arrive at where the EvE forums is.

It's nothing special, and while I wish people would treat each other with more respect, it's in my opinion not really that bad, either.

In most games you don't need a brain to be able to play it, since Eve requires half a brain, most people are obviously going to be overwhelmed.

How does Eve not make sense?

One reason is that CCP allows a degree of d***ery and douchbagging.

Another is that the new players tend to bring the negativity from WoW and other, sorry to say, not-so-complex or dumbed-down MMORPGs out there, which also leads to "bitter vets"' bickery.

EVE isn't as bad or difficult, but said new players need to have the luck to meet with people who are not as aggressive by nature. It really depends on who you meet.

Good job. You will make it in the forums. I don't know about the game. If I assume what you said is accurate and you are doing what many do with EVE the door will revolve in a month, maybe two and you will be gone again to find something that offers you a little bit more fun and a little less forum fare.