EVE General Discussion

I think the problem here, is that to achieve what you say you want to achieve, would require breaking down a whole swath of rules, upsetting virtually everyone involved in the mechanic one way or another, all to arrive at exactly the same place we are right now.

Lets do a thought exercise:

You say you want player-intervention in the highsec gank game to be possible. Since you've ruled out escorting as non-engaging, you are wanting people to be able to call for help, and survive long enough for a measured response to get on field to fight. Lets set aside the fact that this is already proven to not work in practice, since alliance-mates wont fast respond to save a ratting or blind-jumping-to-beacon carrier, so hoping randoms will do the same for someone they don't know is very wishful thinking.

Since escorting is out, we have to assume the "response" wont be coming from in system. Its a safe guess to say time for an average combat-ship to jump gate and warp across system is in the region of a minute. Lets say support from 5 jumps away is a reasonable range, the fight has still got to be going five minutes (at least, more if you factor in pings and ship-swap time) for a response to get there in time. In order for a freighter gank to last that long, you are asking for freighters to get Carrier-level ehp. This isn't going to please gankers [first group annoyed].

Of course, thats moot anyway, since if the response gets there in 5 minutes, that is 4 minutes and between 52 and 55 seconds after Concord has made the response fleet pointless anyway. So, somethings got to be done about Concord. And to make that kind of difference, something biiiiig. We are talking removing Concord offensive ability entirely, perhaps one Concord ship warps in per aggressor, webs, scrams, paints, but no ECM, and no damage - save the Concord insta-pop effect for the end of the criminal timer (so if no-one comes, Concord enacts its duty). I can safely say, any nerf to Concord, especially one this catastrophic, will not go down well with the Carebear community, since bling mission-boats, entire mining opperations (since a small gank crew can clean the whole belt before they die), the entire Jita undock (who needs to warp when the next gank is undocking in to you), and even the Veldnaught are suddenly within reach of an even half-assed gank attempt [everyone else is now annoyed].

This is all hypothetical, and as I said at the start, completely pointless, since no-ones coming anyway. It just isn't in CCP's benefit to make such massive changes, upset literally everyone involved, just to give gank targets another avenue they wont use to stay alive, like the current mechanics they don't use.

It certainly can be pointed at certain carebears, the ones that expect zero pvp in their little gaming bubble, they're just as selfish. Problem is, they're pretty rare, most of them accept the rest of the galaxy is pvp based, they just dont want it forced onto themselves. They're happy enough pottering away in highsec, and most of them don't even visit these forums. You'll find a far higher amount of the "pvp-only" crowd pushing the selfish opinions, telling people to unsub and such. They couldn't care less about the continued growth and success of EvE, just as long as their singular preferences are left untouched.

You really need to go back and re-read what I've said and this time, try understanding it. Of course, you would understand it well enough if you understood the core tenets of EVE, which you are tossing out with this idea that the game doesn't encourage :goodfights: according to what you think they should be.

Also, seriously, read, because when you put words in my mouth and argue with strawmen, it just makes you look pretentious and makes me not like you.

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Ha, no, they are not pretty rare. They're a huge portion of the population of highsec.




That's not called accepting that EVE is pvp based. That's called trying to ignore it. That's called trying to play a single player MMO.




Uh, nope. We're much more active on the forums now that we've learned that carebears will happily cry on the forums for nerf after nerf, trying to eradicate ganking completely. The game's history shows that quite clearly.

You lot abandoned "live and let live" waaaaaay before we ever did.

You're only saying that because you're not reading what I wrote.

I was very specific about your strawman: the definition of skill was not what I was talking about, I made that clear. And then you turned around and put words in my mouth, telling me that it was. But you'll excuse me if I'm not going to let some pretentious little shitstain alter my arguments as if I'm a moron and don't know what I'm talking about, because I know exactly what I said. I'm the one who said it.

So go back, read it again, and don't even bother replying to me until you understand it because until you can demonstrate at least some basic reading comprehension ability, I can't consider your grasp of the argument to be very intellectually stimulating. All you're doing is pissing me off by trying to dodge the issue and the point of my argument, beat around the bush, and argue rhetoric. I don't have time for that today, so figure what I'm saying the **** out then come back and apologise. I have a round of cancer treatment this morning and I'm not in the mood for more childish games with you, and if you post something stupid again you will get the reply you deserve.

... and by that analogy suicide gankers are outlaw motorcycle gangs hijacking truckloads of liquor and running drugs ?

Or maybe he was worried about his impending cancer treatment and couldn't sleep. If you are looking for sad and pathetic, look in a mirror.

You do.

Your irrational fear of carebears is well documented in these forums.

Mr Epeen

The mad is strong with this thread.