Ships & Modules

I like your idea would fix alot, only problem would be the regional gates. A min jump range of always 1 connecting system would fix it. These regional choke points are often camped, not rly nice to pass trough with 1b battleship.

Example,

System A-------------10LY------------System B <--currently must do manualy, but with minimum 1 system jump rule it is able to pass system while costing max jump fuel for 4,5LY jump. Give covert cyno a new shiny line.. something like "Covert Op Cyno Field Generators are so special and awesome that a Black Ops can always lock on it if the balck op isnt futher than 1 system away"

Didn't read the replies, but here goes:

Not all black ops need a buff. The redeemer seems to be in use and quite liked. Unfortunetally, for example, the sin sucks really badly. The widow is also quite bareable as far as I've seen, but also not that uber... And I've never seen anyone using the minmatar one so it must suck even more than the gallente?

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to really buff them... All they really need is the ability to use cov ops cloaks and maybe increase their range a bit.

Only 2 ships in the entire game have the ability to bridge other ships: The Titan and the Black Ops.

With respect to bridging: You have NOTHING in the game to compare it to except a Titan - want to bring costs into the picture? I think you'll talk a hell of a lot of people out of fixing anything if you are stuck comparing to titans and their costs.

Titans have a base jump range of 3.5LY. BO's have a base of 2.

Titans cannot bridge into a cyno jammed system. BO's can.

A T3 has to use gates to move around - UNLESS it is being bridged by one of the 2 ships in the game that can do this.

A BO doesn't - it has a jump drive as well as a jump portal generator to move others around.

By putting black ops firepower and tank up, what you create is something vastly more desirable than a machariel or any other high-end battleship for PvE use as well as a "solo pwn" mobile for those looking for lulz - one that cannot be stopped from going into any system in the game if a single covert scout ship can get through its gate to lite the cyno.

A covert capable jumping ship, with battleship firepower, no targeting delay after cloak - so it becomes a PvP soloing monster -AND- a PvE ship that ignores gate camps due to an invisible cyno so can't even be caught at its destination. Not a good combination for PvP interaction by other players who aren't using covert ships.

You'd end up with far more PvE players looking to these things and mass PvP players going for the solo. They would be a prefered "I win" ship for ganking across space.

Yes I can see some fixes to these things being needed but not to the extent that many others seem to think. We don't need tons of cyno alts bouncing folks around places with cloakie ships of high-end power like these things would be.

Perhaps first might be an adjustment to a skill vs the ship:
Jump Portal Generation - have that apply to the fuel costs per use. Don't adjust the fuel on the ship, adjust a SKILL to reduce the costs - 10% per level? That would grant a healthy reduction in costs on moving things around.

Range? Up it to 2.5 perhaps. If you have to move closer, then move closer. These shouldn't be longer ranged than Titans or, again, they become over powered by "invisible" cynos and moving invisible ships vast distances - Titan bridge points are obvious and, again, you have NOTHING other than Titans to compare it to with respect to bridging other ships.

Tank? yeah - fix the damned thing. These are expensive T2 ships and the tank should be up there more.

DPS? No. As a matter of fact, reduce the DPS if you increase the range - hell, follow that other 'fix list' and put in a DPS black ops class battleship based on the Tier-3 BS - just no jump drive on that thing so we don't get a soloist ganker wet dream like it would become.

Tough, I can see. Able to move others, I can see. Able to jump around to covert cynos, with improved tank and improved DPS so as to avoid any unwanted fights yet able to jump in on fights with big fire power? No way in hell if we want to keep things visible in this game for PvP.

Taking advice on Black Ops from someone in SWA? LOL.

probably not but if they adjust that 1 skill - it shouldn't be difficult to help with the fuel issues. Tweaking ships tank - again, not a major project portion and they could get some fixes rolled out fairly easily.

The only reason NOT to do anything is the whine factor of those who want these things powered over the top and there are a few of them. As such, it's safer for CCP not to touch the ship vs putting in any fixes to them at all. Anything they did that comes up shy of a virtual "god mode" would be too little and cause more anger and that's what they're trying to avoid.

Bummer IMO - I'd really like the Sin fixed up a bit. It's one of the ships I can fly soon (Sin and Panther) and I'd love it if the thing wasn't as lame as it appears right now.

A bit more tank - a touch less fuel use... Not a lot to ask for but not enough for many plays so, I agree; I don't think they'll touch these.

Fact, more ppl fly titans than black ops… it has been stated a few times on quen ship snapshots, it that because the titan is so cheap or because BO bridging sucks?



Nullifie = safer and faster, don’t forget u need a cyno alt in position first to move the BO. Besides that use jump planner and plan some trips, try to get your BO 3 Regions futher (50ish manually jumps normaly) and see how far u come without using gates….


U create a ship that requires 30m sp to be flown effectively and need to use a minimum of 2 account, 2 monitors. A cyno L5 alt (30d skill) (or recon =20m sp char). Which is easy to by setting up bait in an anomaly which pays off in a 1b kill mail. I don’t see the issue… u don’t want to have an overpowered non warp cloaking ship in your system? A cov + bulli T3 can do this better & safer and don’t need 2 accounts.


Most ppl safe up anyway when a neutral comes in system, I don’t see how it can be overpowered. Current BO status don’t even allow them to pass those interregional gate systems. If u look at the amout of skill vs possible danger. It will not be a solo pawn mobile. If u put a covert cloak on it, it is still really easy to cacth them, u only need a bubble and a ship with a web and scram. Remember they are not nullified and any camp will catch them easly due it hugh size and slow warp (loads declaok time)


Faill I guess opinion, facts? I guys everyone has 2 accouts, 20m wasted in black op skills and a alt with cyno 5 (29d skill) that kan effectively fly a recon to tackle. Supercaps are more badly desighn than BO ever could be

I'm not waiting for a change. I'm just calling out snarky coward alts as irrelevant.

Champion fishermen throw the fish back into the water.

She just snipes people and warps away when they're into structure.

you can try and twist the route of the conversation as much as you want.
at the end of the day, things are gonna reamin the same.
no change to black ops is here to stay for the reason:

if you look around at killboard with black ops, its is clear they are succesful at what they do.
Once you get jumped by black ops, you got 1 minute or less to survive even when you are in a battleship. Its that fast!
Jumping distance and fuel consumption is the only thing that stops from making this type of game op.

i could also quote you similarly but i am too lazy and you are not worht it. the funny thing is that you cant beat this:
if you look around at killboard with black ops, its is clear they are succesful at what they do.
Once you get jumped by black ops, you got 1 minute or less to survive even when you are in a battleship. Its that fast!
Jumping distance and fuel consumption is the only thing that stops from making this type of game op.