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SO where is the black ops buff?
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Jack Sparroxx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-19 20:38:06 UTC
Hi

Been wondering if you guys at CCP is gonna buff the Black ops as there where talks about in this winter expantion, or is that on hold yet again?

Reason why I'm asking is that Black ops, as I think many will agree on, nice alternative to the usual blob tactics of the big alliances in eve, and will allow for smaller group to actually be a massive pain in the butt. So role wise the black ops is pretty much spot on. The stats however needs a wee little buff to actually shine in that role. And to be honest Black ops is such a niche area in pvp that pretty much any buff will not be game breaking in any way shape or form.

What I'd like to see is the following:

Range buff. 2,5AU baseis simple not enough even with JC 5 you can often get in to a situation where you cant even jump from one constalltion in to the constallation ext door. this is in particualr a problem if those two constalltions are in two different regions. Pretty hard raiding null space bording low sec/npc null sec if you have to pass camped regional gate to get access to a specific area. maybe 3,5 or 4AU base would be good enough, 5AU is probably to OP.

Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them.

Would be nice to get the JP fuel consumption lowered or removed. Having blockade runners on tow is anoying.

T3 able to light covert cyno's, though that might be a bit OP.

And no, as much fun it would be, covert ops cloaking Black ops BS's would be seriously overpowered.

So CCP, pretty please with sugar on top, give us a wee little black ops buff[ Big smile
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#2 - 2011-11-19 20:51:52 UTC
I don't think I've seen anything from CCP about Black Ops this expansion. Straight Players yes, devs no. Unless I missed something; you got a link?

It looks like this expansion is going to have multiple releases like the last few, so it's possible something will turn up later.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-19 21:26:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Black Ops are OP as hell. If you dont know this, then plz contact/ask for herassment/wardec >> Burn Eden. Then watch how red your killboard will get. They will give you a lesson you will never forget ;).
Lola Humpsalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-19 21:46:16 UTC
Autonomous Monster wrote:
I don't think I've seen anything from CCP about Black Ops this expansion. Straight Players yes, devs no. Unless I missed something; you got a link?

It looks like this expansion is going to have multiple releases like the last few, so it's possible something will turn up later.



I do remember something being said by a dev I think, where the BlackOps role would be tweaked as a counter to supers.
After that it went silent and now we have the SC drone nerfs, so I don't think BlackOps will get love any time soon...

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Mirima Thurander
#5 - 2011-11-19 21:54:57 UTC
Jack Sparroxx wrote:
Hi

Been wondering if you guys at CCP is gonna buff the Black ops as there where talks about in this winter expantion, or is that on hold yet again?

Reason why I'm asking is that Black ops, as I think many will agree on, nice alternative to the usual blob tactics of the big alliances in eve, and will allow for smaller group to actually be a massive pain in the butt. So role wise the black ops is pretty much spot on. The stats however needs a wee little buff to actually shine in that role. And to be honest Black ops is such a niche area in pvp that pretty much any buff will not be game breaking in any way shape or form.

What I'd like to see is the following:

Range buff. 2,5LY baseis simple not enough even with JC 5 you can often get in to a situation where you cant even jump from one constalltion in to the constallation ext door. this is in particualr a problem if those two constalltions are in two different regions. Pretty hard raiding null space bording low sec/npc null sec if you have to pass camped regional gate to get access to a specific area. maybe 3,5 or 4LY base would be good enough, 5LY is probably to OP.

Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them.

Would be nice to get the JP fuel consumption lowered or removed. Having blockade runners on tow is anoying.

T3 able to light covert cyno's, though that might be a bit OP.

And no, as much fun it would be, covert ops cloaking Black ops BS's would be seriously overpowered.

So CCP, pretty please with sugar on top, give us a wee little black ops buff[ Big smile



Fixed



quoting because AU =/= LY

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#6 - 2011-11-19 21:55:54 UTC
while I can agree on the range and fuel issues, the rest isn't needed and blops works pretty good right now for the small gang

and blops can become very op with too much fiddling.
you are black ops, in and out, no pissing around...

If you run into a situation where you have a substantial fear of being "folded", it probably was not the best blops target and your cyno scout should feel bad
Miss President
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
#7 - 2011-11-20 07:21:21 UTC
CCP has been promising to fix black ops, let's see if they are good at keeping their promises and don't take over 2 years to do it.

I'm for boost, TII resist, MoAR damage, MoAR range, less fuel
No covops cloak though
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#8 - 2011-11-20 07:44:29 UTC
They are fine.

Cloaking/cynoing crap is already way too attractive, no need to make this gamestyle even more potent.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2011-11-20 07:49:37 UTC
I swear to god if I see this ******* thread again I will kersplode.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-11-20 08:46:57 UTC
T' Elk wrote:
I swear to god if I see this ******* thread again I will kersplode.


You're probably going to kersplode, then.
Jack Sparroxx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-20 22:49:22 UTC
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
T' Elk wrote:
I swear to god if I see this ******* thread again I will kersplode.


You're probably going to kersplode, then.



Really dont give a flying F*** if T'ELK kersplode or not. Dont even have a clue what that word means, not that it is a word to start with.

I just curious to know if CCP is going to buff black ops this time around or not, or even if the devs have any thoughts on black ops at all.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-20 22:52:34 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
They are fine.


You never flew a Black ops, right ? Roll

Appart from bridging fleets, it's useless. AND, it's not even good at bridging fleets. AND, it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-20 23:07:18 UTC
Jack Sparroxx wrote:
Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them.


God no, triple plated and trimarked Redeemers with T2 resists would easily get close to 300k EHP.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#14 - 2011-11-20 23:40:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jack Sparroxx wrote:
Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them.


God no, triple plated and trimarked Redeemers with T2 resists would easily get close to 300k EHP.



So ...?
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Hemmo Paskiainen
#15 - 2011-11-21 12:16:03 UTC
Miss President wrote:
CCP has been promising to fix black ops, let's see if they are good at keeping their promises and don't take over 2 years to do it.

I'm for boost, TII resist, MoAR damage, MoAR range, less fuel
No covops cloak though


They allready let it wait 785 days as in here. I kinda gave up hope they fix it anytime soon. Ever since i gave up hope i stared burning plexes, 49 so far

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-21 13:45:56 UTC
SMT008 wrote:

You never flew a Black ops, right ? Roll

.....it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. ....

the same was spoken many times about supercarriers.... they got nerfed....
would not hope this pray will help to blackops......

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Hemmo Paskiainen
#17 - 2011-11-21 13:52:48 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
SMT008 wrote:

You never flew a Black ops, right ? Roll

.....it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. ....

the same was spoken many times about supercarriers.... they got nerfed....
would not hope this pray will help to blackops......


black ops are not solo pwn ships, supers currently are... black ops are horrible broken. Unfortualy we always have forum trolls saying all black op are so awesome as the redeemer, witch might be the only correct functioning one (not including jump stuffs)

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Jack Sparroxx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-21 14:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Sparroxx
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
SMT008 wrote:

You never flew a Black ops, right ? Roll

.....it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. ....

the same was spoken many times about supercarriers.... they got nerfed....
would not hope this pray will help to blackops......


black ops are not solo pwn ships, supers currently are... black ops are horrible broken. Unfortualy we always have forum trolls saying all black op are so awesome as the redeemer, witch might be the only correct functioning one (not including jump stuffs)


This man speaks the truth.

Though I did swap my redeemer out for a shield tanked panther. Can pretty much out run anything but the usual angel/minie nano stuff.

I think most of the people saying B-ops are OP, are those that gets greifed by them, aka people that want afk cloaking and the like nerfed so they can rat/mine in peace in null sec. With other words the usual turds that run away at the first sign of trouble.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#19 - 2011-11-21 14:54:37 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
They are fine.


Appart from bridging fleets, it's useless. AND, it's not even good at bridging fleets. AND, it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills.


Fon Revedhort wrote:

Cloaking/cynoing crap is already way too attractive, no need to make this gamestyle even more potent.


Dunno whether I can be even more specific, but I'll try.

It might be said as not good at bridging fleets for a sole reason of Titan's birdge being absolutely imbalanced. Make the latter one more interesting (that is: less OP) and all of a sudden your bridging ability will look even better than it is now.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-11-24 13:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Post an actual evidence why they need to be buffed! Untill you actually post evidence that confirms this, then shut the hell up.
If you know how to use Black Ops then you will kno thye dont need a buff, not even on jump range.
They can use jump range very very ffectivelly. You just need a well organized working group. Thats where the Black Ops really really work well.

There is plenty of evidence that suggest that they dont need a buff at all, specially in range. A buff will srtainly make them OP.

Burn Eden is a great example on how black ops should be used.
Search, find target, Jump, Snipe, Jump away.

POST PROOF or shut the hell up!
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