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Claudia Osyn
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Wild Geese.
#41 - 2014-07-17 19:18:22 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
You should consider converting those 'exotic' dancers to a proper and moral profession.

Like prostitution. Because just teasing is mean.Big smile


Miss Osyn please, those in that type of immoral works are often misled into believing it a work of art. Please do not encourage immoral professions, it does not help anyone to encourage more poor souls into a hedonistic lifestyle.

Odd, it doesn't seem immoral to me, as long as they are willing..... Then again, morality is such a subjective thing.


Those hedonistic pleasures are most often employed by rich, filthy and immoral beings, thus making it highly immoral. It is also unproductive, flashing one's flesh might even induce impulsive behaviours that will lead to misdemeanours. I just wished there was more people that will denounce this practice and encourage proper family values.

I wouldn't hold my breath for that one.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-07-18 14:25:37 UTC
The practice of the most vulgar forms of hedonism is almost always the domain of the most repressed and emotionally closed off. It's why among the pleasure hub clientele the Amarr are always the most frequent customers and the Gallente the least...

Chronoxi wrote:
You should consider converting those 'exotic' dancers to a proper and moral profession.

EDIT: Also, if your purpose is to indulge in some hedonistic behaviour, any gallentean hulls should suffice. Amarrian ships can be retrofitted to become a place of relaxation, contemplation, tea time, sights seeing and of course piety. If you modify a good Amarrian hull for hedonistic pleasures, it is an insult to God and that should be avoided even if you are not of faith.


That being said there still is that 'insult to God' thing ... which should be of some concern to someone wanting to cruise around in a retrofitted Amarr ship. I suggest a name change... going forward the newly refitted Amarr ship will be a 'Fornication' class battleship!

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#43 - 2014-07-18 14:37:05 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
I just wished there was more people that will denounce this practice and encourage proper family values.

Hmm, well I'm all about family. I have extensive one.

As for hedonistic practices, well my siblings did not make themselves, so for these event that lead to their birth I am grateful.

Anyway, I like you more when you had hair, Mr Chronoxi sir. Without dashing blonde locks you look much sterner. Is no good. Does not suit you as well.

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-07-18 16:34:01 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
I just wished there was more people that will denounce this practice and encourage proper family values.

Hmm, well I'm all about family. I have extensive one.

As for hedonistic practices, well my siblings did not make themselves, so for these event that lead to their birth I am grateful.

Anyway, I like you more when you had hair, Mr Chronoxi sir. Without dashing blonde locks you look much sterner. Is no good. Does not suit you as well.



Births or events that lead to births are not hedonistic by itself, it is only an immoral practice when one does it purely for pleasure or material compensations. However I am not saying that experiencing pleasure while in the act of reproduction is sinful, it is sinful when one does it purely for pleasure.

I thank you for your kind compliments regarding my hair. But I got rid of them because it is very nice to feel the cool air passing by one's head (without hair) while drinking a cup of fine tea.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#45 - 2014-07-18 16:58:07 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:

Births or events that lead to births are not hedonistic by itself, it is only an immoral practice when one does it purely for pleasure or material compensations. However I am not saying that experiencing pleasure while in the act of reproduction is sinful, it is sinful when one does it purely for pleasure.

I thank you for your kind compliments regarding my hair. But I got rid of them because it is very nice to feel the cool air passing by one's head (without hair) while drinking a cup of fine tea.

You are very welcome for compliment, sir.

You like to drink tea? I prefer to drink a coffee, especially caramel synth-latte. Is my favorite. I have my assistant put in a little sugar,and insist on pouring in milk before the water because it makes it so much more creamy, ah.

Anyway. I think you go on wrong track with your fashion outlook. I give free advice for you, Mr Chronoxi. You, sir, strike me as man on mission. Not some person who relax, care-free and let world breeze past you like some wind over scalp. You have strong faith, you have firm beliefs, you see much in society which disgust you and you want to set it right and send message to everyone. You are messenger for your God. For this purpose you need to spend much time working closely on appearance as it is wrapper that you message come inside of, ah. Channel your faith, sir, don't just broadcast it in a message - be the message. I do not share your faith sir, in all respect, but I admire your passion.

Anyway.

I know thing or two of fashion, but far less about hedonistic practice. Although I experience such thing before and sometime was a lot of fun, other times no so much. Depend on other person really. But why is it so bad and sinful, is this act of intercourse a sacred thing? And if so then why it sacred and not a simple foot massage sacred, when both stem from physical pleasure. I even heard of people who enjoy foot rub so much that they even ... uhhmm, well ... mhm. What is it that separate sexual act from other form of non-sexual physical pleasure to make it such grievous sin, sir?

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-07-18 17:42:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Chronoxi
There apparently was a problem with my interfacing software that caused more than one post. I have edited one and am sorry for this happening. This will be the edited post.

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-07-18 17:44:07 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:

Births or events that lead to births are not hedonistic by itself, it is only an immoral practice when one does it purely for pleasure or material compensations. However I am not saying that experiencing pleasure while in the act of reproduction is sinful, it is sinful when one does it purely for pleasure.

I thank you for your kind compliments regarding my hair. But I got rid of them because it is very nice to feel the cool air passing by one's head (without hair) while drinking a cup of fine tea.

You are very welcome for compliment, sir.

You like to drink tea? I prefer to drink a coffee, especially caramel synth-latte. Is my favorite. I have my assistant put in a little sugar,and insist on pouring in milk before the water because it makes it so much more creamy, ah.

Anyway. I think you go on wrong track with your fashion outlook. I give free advice for you, Mr Chronoxi. You, sir, strike me as man on mission. Not some person who relax, care-free and let world breeze past you like some wind over scalp. You have strong faith, you have firm beliefs, you see much in society which disgust you and you want to set it right and send message to everyone. You are messenger for your God. For this purpose you need to spend much time working closely on appearance as it is wrapper that you message come inside of, ah. Channel your faith, sir, don't just broadcast it in a message - be the message. I do not share your faith sir, in all respect, but I admire your passion.

Anyway.

I know thing or two of fashion, but far less about hedonistic practice. Although I experience such thing before and sometime was a lot of fun, other times no so much. Depend on other person really. But why is it so bad and sinful, is this act of intercourse a sacred thing? And if so then why it sacred and not a simple foot massage sacred, when both stem from physical pleasure. I even heard of people who enjoy foot rub so much that they even ... uhhmm, well ... mhm. What is it that separate sexual act from other form of non-sexual physical pleasure to make it such grievous sin, sir?



We all need a little refuge from the troubles of our worlds at times, like a cup of tea for instance.

An act of intercourse is considered one of the most intimate interaction between two person, as such it really should be reserved to the one that you value and love most. By practicing monogamy it deepens the connection between two person, and thus a stronger bond and better satisfaction. Foot massages are totally different, there are no intrusive actions unless the one performing the service are punching a hole through your feet. I am sure that, when I shake another's hand, I am not performing a sexual service to the person. If there's some kind of perverted sense of pleasure that can be derived from a hand shake, it is not my fault, and the other person should consider contacting medical/psychological professionals. These would be the explanation that I would give to those not of faith, there's more to it than what my explanation offers.

Also there are several types of physical pleasures. Sleeping causes relaxation of muscles (in most case), as such it can be said to be a physical pleasure as well.

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Kellie Dusette
Division 13
#48 - 2014-07-18 17:48:40 UTC
*Tugs on Erica's sleeve*

Sis ... He very strange for holy man. I do not like. You should no trust.

He have strange past and no many Amarrian priest person shave off head, not even Mister Naupli. He have smooth tongue, loose philosophy and aura of criminal. Please be careful when talk with him. I watch him for you.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#49 - 2014-07-18 17:54:22 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:

We all need a little refuge from the troubles of our worlds at times, like a cup of tea for instance.

An act of intercourse is considered one of the most intimate interaction between two person, as such it really should be reserved to the one that you value and love most. By practicing monogamy it deepens the connection between two person, and thus a stronger bond and better satisfaction. Foot massages are totally different, there are no intrusive actions unless the one performing the service are punching a hole through your feet. I am sure that, when I shake another's hand, I am not performing a sexual service to the person. If there's some kind of perverted sense of pleasure that can be derived from a hand shake, it is not my fault, and the other person should consider contacting medical/psychological professionals. These would be the explanation that I would give to those not of faith, there's more to it than what my explanation offers.

Also there are several types of physical pleasures. Sleeping causes relaxation of muscles (in most case), as such it can be said to be a physical pleasure as well.

Hmm, interesting, sir.

So for you interpretation of your faith the thing that make pleasure sinful is if person have multiple partners for pleasure, or some form of ... ufff.. how to say about this with age-filters on Galnet, ah? What I mean is you saying that one person need to be inside other person for it to be sinful thing?

So ... stay outside other person, and only do pleasure things with that one person, and is ok with your God?

Still leave many, many open ground, Mr Chronoxi, sir.


Kellie Dusette wrote:
*Tugs on Erica's sleeve*

Sis ... He very strange for holy man. I do not like. You should no trust.

He have strange past and no many Amarrian priest person shave off head, not even Mister Naupli. He have smooth tongue, loose philosophy and aura of criminal. Please be careful when talk with him. I watch him for you.


Mhm, I know and is ok. He make me curious so I talk with him, is nothing.

But thank you Kellie.

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-07-18 18:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Chronoxi
Kellie Dusette wrote:
*Tugs on Erica's sleeve*

Sis ... He very strange for holy man. I do not like. You should no trust.

He have strange past and no many Amarrian priest person shave off head, not even Mister Naupli. He have smooth tongue, loose philosophy and aura of criminal. Please be careful when talk with him. I watch him for you.



I am no criminal. Nauplius is a blooder and should be biomassed. I am a warrior of God that are very fervent with the studies of proper Amarrian faith, I do consider myself a scholar of proper Amarrian faith.

Kellie Dusette wrote:
Hmm, interesting, sir.

So for you interpretation of your faith the thing that make pleasure sinful is if person have multiple partners for pleasure, or some form of ... ufff.. how to say about this with age-filters on Galnet, ah? What I mean is you saying that one person need to be inside other person for it to be sinful thing?

So ... stay outside other person, and only do pleasure things with that one person, and is ok with your God?

Still leave many, many open ground, Mr Chronoxi, sir.


There is nothing sinful if the purpose of intercourse is to strengthen bond with your loved one AND a reproductive venture (intercourse with no intention of giving birth should be avoided). God designed our bodies in such a way that a reproductive intercourse result in pregnancy and we should not circumvent it. Pleasure can be felt and is perfectly normal, but being addicted to it is sinful. Selling intimate pleasure to others are also sinful, since there is no love and plans for children.

EDIT: Also, I must quote from the scriptures

"Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God"


This would explain certain things. I believe the ability to avoid temptations are a form of hardship for many lost souls, and one that are successful have one less distraction to worry about. The scripture says 'man', but that is referring to 'mankind' rather than referring to the male gender.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#51 - 2014-07-18 18:52:13 UTC
Hmm, when we talk of this you seem to change your angle and the 'conditions', for lack of better term, almost as often as I change my wardrobe, ah.

Love is a subjective, and arguable thing that very hard to define.

What of people who cannot conceive?

What of people who indulge in pleasure of the external, or oral nature?

Your interpretation leave very, very much open to exploitation and misunderstanding and leave me to believe you are not fully versed in the faith you claim to be. This compounded also by your points seeming to change often when you try to explain boundaries of 'sin' to me.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2014-07-18 19:05:46 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Hmm, when we talk of this you seem to change your angle and the 'conditions', for lack of better term, almost as often as I change my wardrobe, ah.

Love is a subjective, and arguable thing that very hard to define.

What of people who cannot conceive?

What of people who indulge in pleasure of the external, or oral nature?

Your interpretation leave very, very much open to exploitation and misunderstanding and leave me to believe you are not fully versed in the faith you claim to be. This compounded also by your points seeming to change often when you try to explain boundaries of 'sin' to me.


I do not believe I changed my angles, but I would like to know in more specific details how I changed my angles. As I said, hedonism are a sin but proper reproductions are not a sin. There are people that cannot conceive, but if they did nothing to prevent conception then it is simply God's will and I am of course not qualified to explain God's will. I had not claimed to be well versed in my faith, but rather a fervent disciple. I do not understand what did you meant by "What of people who indulge in pleasure of the external, or oral nature?", oral nature as in drinking tea? There is nothing wrong with drinking tea.

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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-07-18 19:08:35 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:


Anyway.

I know thing or two of fashion, but far less about hedonistic practice.




I tend more towards knowing about the latter rather than the former. To be quite honest, I'll admit that I am probably the last person anyone should go to for fashion advice! (Except maybe Diana Kim but I digress...)

The original author of this thread wanted advice on the *best* ship to convert into a mobile pleasure hub/brothel and I humbly offerred my experience and the wisdom of choosing an Amarr vessel. They stand out in so many ways and I offerred some good points above but there are more!

I forgot to add that Amarr ships come fully equipped with torture stations... how useful could that be on a cruise you may wonder??? Well those stations are designed elicit repentence. So for instance a crew member who failed to do his mandatory prayers or had even a hint of insubordination would be made to beg for Divine Forgiveness while their pitiful wails are broadcast throughout the ship. Ultimately begging to be reaped to heaven for the mercy that only death can bring, their blood is drained via a blood-sucking machine for use by the Death cult 'Blood Raiders'... I don't need to go into details...

Now with a little modification those torture chambers can be turned into a fetish theme park for guests who enjoy that sort of thing! Catering to all points of view could be a major tourist attraction! Those blood sucking machines with a little tinkering could be reversed and made into excellent Quafe dispensers. Not only could you offer self-abuse and Quafe drinking but the excellent audio quality of the internal ship broadcast system means that any kind of music could be played throughout the ship. From the somber to the serene. The classics to the modern!

Think outside the box folks! Amarr ships definitely make the best Pleasure Hubs!

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-07-18 19:13:26 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:


Anyway.

I know thing or two of fashion, but far less about hedonistic practice.




I tend more towards knowing about the latter rather than the former. To be quite honest, I'll admit that I am probably the last person anyone should go to for fashion advice! (Except maybe Diana Kim but I digress...)

The original author of this thread wanted advice on the *best* ship to convert into a mobile pleasure hub/brothel and I humbly offerred my experience and the wisdom of choosing an Amarr vessel. They stand out in so many ways and I offerred some good points above but there are more!

I forgot to add that Amarr ships come fully equipped with torture stations... how useful could that be on a cruise you may wonder??? Well those stations are designed elicit repentence. So for instance a crew member who failed to do his mandatory prayers or had even a hint of insubordination would be made to beg for Divine Forgiveness while their pitiful wails are broadcast throughout the ship. Ultimately begging to be reaped to heaven for the mercy that only death can bring, their blood is drained via a blood-sucking machine for use by the Death cult 'Blood Raiders'... I don't need to go into details...

Now with a little modification those torture chambers can be turned into a fetish theme park for guests who enjoy that sort of thing! Catering to all points of view could be a major tourist attraction! Those blood sucking machines with a little tinkering could be reversed and made into excellent Quafe dispensers. Not only could you offer self-abuse and Quafe drinking but the excellent audio quality of the internal ship broadcast system means that any kind of music could be played throughout the ship. From the somber to the serene. The classics to the modern!

Think outside the box folks! Amarr ships definitely make the best Pleasure Hubs!


Please do not mistake holy Amarrian ship design with blooder heresies.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#55 - 2014-07-18 19:35:01 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Hmm, when we talk of this you seem to change your angle and the 'conditions', for lack of better term, almost as often as I change my wardrobe, ah.

Love is a subjective, and arguable thing that very hard to define.

What of people who cannot conceive?

What of people who indulge in pleasure of the external, or oral nature?

Your interpretation leave very, very much open to exploitation and misunderstanding and leave me to believe you are not fully versed in the faith you claim to be. This compounded also by your points seeming to change often when you try to explain boundaries of 'sin' to me.


I do not believe I changed my angles, but I would like to know in more specific details how I changed my angles. As I said, hedonism are a sin but proper reproductions are not a sin. There are people that cannot conceive, but if they did nothing to prevent conception then it is simply God's will and I am of course not qualified to explain God's will. I had not claimed to be well versed in my faith, but rather a fervent disciple. I do not understand what did you meant by "What of people who indulge in pleasure of the external, or oral nature?", oral nature as in drinking tea? There is nothing wrong with drinking tea.

Ah, and you see here this is problem.

I would dearly like to expand on example I give to form argument. But I am restricted by age-filter protocols on Galnet forums. I have young sentient such as my own sisters who see such things and I do not believe it appropriate that I elaborate further on the intimate acts that I reference above.

In any event, I'm sure my sister not mean offense when she mention Mr Naupli. I know your beliefs are different, and that is ok. But is from similar cultural background, he is simply very extremist. But with Mr Naupli, when he talk of his beliefs, he have very strong convictions and solid argument to put forward - an answer for almost every criticism, ah.

But when you talk of your convictions sir, well I do not feel the same strength. What you say is arguable, the points you make debatable, the boundaries you proclaim for sin very broad and loose, open to much interpretation. Now, when I take that, and combine it with concerns raised by my sister, then I have very genuine cause to believe there is something not right about you.


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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#56 - 2014-07-18 19:39:49 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
I tend more towards knowing about the latter rather than the former.

Well I know a little of it also.

I am not religious and I am not celibate, ah.

But I am also not a wh*re.

But fashion, well it is universal. Fashion is important in all areas of life, from boardroom to bridge, from bedroom to bath tub.

Is funny you know, when consider that despite isolation from Empire is those of us in Anoikis who are at cutting edge of fashion style and trends. Cut of jib is most important where I come from, Mr Sorjat, sir. People like Mr Chronoxi could learn thing or two about self promotion with holy message from heretic such as I.



Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-07-18 20:18:21 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:

Ah, and you see here this is problem.

I would dearly like to expand on example I give to form argument. But I am restricted by age-filter protocols on Galnet forums. I have young sentient such as my own sisters who see such things and I do not believe it appropriate that I elaborate further on the intimate acts that I reference above.

In any event, I'm sure my sister not mean offense when she mention Mr Naupli. I know your beliefs are different, and that is ok. But is from similar cultural background, he is simply very extremist. But with Mr Naupli, when he talk of his beliefs, he have very strong convictions and solid argument to put forward - an answer for almost every criticism, ah.

But when you talk of your convictions sir, well I do not feel the same strength. What you say is arguable, the points you make debatable, the boundaries you proclaim for sin very broad and loose, open to much interpretation. Now, when I take that, and combine it with concerns raised by my sister, then I have very genuine cause to believe there is something not right about you.




Nauplius is a heretic not an extremist, if I compare him to some blooders he is actually rather soft and definitely not an extremist. His words have strength because he speaks with the intent of imposing his perverted thoughts on you. I do not wish to impose anything on you yet, just trying to explain briefly what my stance is.

I do not believe I proclaimed anything, I am not a prophet nor an emperor. I state what I believe in.

As for the points I made, I believe that I had made it clear that I believe sexual intercourse that are done with no intent of reproducing = sin. Extramarital sexual intercourse = sin. Addiction to pleasure = sin. Feeling pleasure = not sin. Sexual pleasure for material compensations = sin.

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#58 - 2014-07-18 20:23:43 UTC
Now try to explain why sex is sinful if you're not popping out poop factories or make silly promises to another person beforehand?

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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-07-18 20:28:47 UTC
Miss Dusette, I'm not disputing the importance of fashion I am merely making the simple statement of fact that it is not my forte. My home, my pod, my ship's computer does not demand too much of me in the way of fashion sense, so I have none. I am however, blessed and cursed with a strong sense of humour... I distract myself in ways that may offend others. Others can offend me by presuming that I hold their views...

Don't get me wrong either. I love the Amarr! They are so beset by paradoxes their belief system creates I find it both entertaining and disturbing. Usually though my sense of humour gets the better of me and I'll choose to be entertained by them... other times... less so...

A wh*re?? I would never presume to call anyone such a thing! What is that anyway?? Is it something like a "sin"? If so then it is nothing more than mere opinion and as such both concepts can be easily dismissed. In any case, I am Gallente and I don't judge. I'll add too that from my experience that particular term is most widely, nay almost exclusively used by the females of our specie... In quite a few spheres of life, men are far less judgmental than women... that one in particular.

You are absolutely correct about when you state that "Mr Chronoxi could learn a thing or two"... from you! I find the morally certain are usually the most close-minded and among the most dangerous members of humanity in the galaxy.

Heretic or not your views are refreshing and it has been a pleasure chatting with you.

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2014-07-18 20:42:53 UTC
Implying that men generally are less judgemental than women makes you seem judgemental. And then you said you are Gallentean and you don't judge.

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