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Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-07-04 10:51:54 UTC
The OP does have a strong, valid point though.

It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun.

Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all.

With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month.

My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache.
Claud Tiberius
#22 - 2014-07-04 11:05:33 UTC
EVE definitely has a lot of repetition in it. If you don't have a wide range of different skills, then you often find yourself doing the same activity over and over and over.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-04 11:10:52 UTC
It's easy, really.

Are you having fun?
. Yes --> play
. No --> don't play

Regarding grind: are you doing it to build up something (a corp, a new ship, your FC abilities, an virtual industrial empire, whatever) that you actually enjoy?
. Yes --> grind on
. No --> stop

Regarding PLEX and $: is EVE worth 15$/month to you (for each account)?
. Yes --> Pay, unless you have hundreds of millions of ISK flying out of your butt for zero to little effort
. No --> Unsub one or all accounts, unless you have ISK flying out of your butt

We all wish RL was so easy!

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Parmala Etoo
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-07-04 11:11:01 UTC
The game became a job the second you think about plex.. At that time tou are putting time in the game to ear isk to then play...

Pay 15$ do pve and pvp with friends and you are playing a game.
Start playing your game instead of looking how others work for at -spaceships online-...
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-07-04 11:18:09 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
The OP does have a strong, valid point though.

It's a lot of isk to farm every month for a plex, when you play casually. Which means, you either burn yourself out farming for your whole month just to get a free next month to do nothing but farm isk for the next month. there's no reward, no gain in doing that, and no fun.

Personally i have my account on a subscription, so my time in eve is dedicated to 'trying' to have some fun. EvE isn't perfect by a long shot, for all the reasons in the OP, but, even though I'm on a mission to try to 'help' from my POV the things that would make 'my' time in eve greater. It seems to conflict heavily with the general sentiment other players have to EvE, but even though my comments and suggestions are geared towards being vocal about my frustrations I'm prepared to take the forum flames and in game death threats as part of the mission! EvE is EvE after all.

With games like this, you have to have a knowledge of what you want from it. I get no fun grinding the next month subscription. My primary source of fun in eve is doing the carebear stuff that the PvP community detest; level 4s with friends, on skype for a couple of hours two / three times a week. That's about my limit before i want to put EvE away, and, more importantly forces me to not get obsessed in farming plex for next month.

My only advice is do what you want to, otherwise you'll want to unsub with a headache.



Yeah and who wants to burn out like that? I mean it goes back to my point that a game is meant to be an escape, or distraction if you will. I see quite a few people complaining about the increase in cost for a PLEX and I sit here scratching my head wondering why these people have made a game into such a job. Instead of that isk going into new ships, skills, or something else it instead just goes towards another month. Now maybe some of these players already have everything they want in the game and the only thing left is to buy PLEX, and in that case I suppose it is a lack of content (player generated or CCP generated). It could also be a lack of new things to buy or tie into perhaps other factors.
Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-07-04 11:38:15 UTC
People that are pissing isk out their avatars back side are ok, but, for normal folks i think you're spot on.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-07-04 12:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Starkey
And just what makes you think that every other player either takes long to make isk witouth effort or has no entertainment value while making isk?

PLEX wouldn't sell as much as it does if this wasn't the case. And it keeps raising price because the average player wealth is only increasing.

If you can't make enough ISK to subscribe your accounts in addition to having plenty of leftover to have fun in the game, then by all means stop doing it, but don't think this applies to everyone else. The truth is enough people make far more ISK than they know what to do with it, and they either enjoy it or have to put very little effort to it, and this is why PLEX prices keep going up.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#28 - 2014-07-04 12:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Project
Let's all hunt down and kill the OP.

And grinding for ISK to pay the sub,
just to play the game is for losers with less life than I have.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-07-04 13:22:09 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Let's all hunt down and kill the OP.

And grinding for ISK to pay the sub,
just to play the game is for losers with less life than I have.



Odd that you seem to make a statement that seems more on the side of the point I was hoping to make, and yet you go and say you want to hunt me down...

Btw I am in Rens, send everything you've got. :)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2014-07-04 13:24:17 UTC
Sol, will you send me the killmails when you're done with him please.

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Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-07-04 13:39:51 UTC
Nick Starkey wrote:

The truth is enough people make far more ISK than they know what to do with it, and they either enjoy it or have to put very little effort to it, and this is why PLEX prices keep going up.


It's like saying: The truth is, there are enough people making more money than they know what to do with, and they either enjoy it, or have to put very little effort into it, and this is why property prices keep going up... and poor people have to live under bridges..

Lol
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#32 - 2014-07-04 14:28:59 UTC
OP totally tricked me. Didn't realize this was (another) "nerf PLEX prices" whine thread.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#33 - 2014-07-04 15:50:27 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I enjoy being able to play a game that Not every kid can afford to pay for. I like to be in a mature comunity of profanity. F2P is a big fat lie.


This man speaks the truth. I can prove his adroit point with a simple 3 word statement.

World Of Tanks.

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KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-07-04 21:02:10 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I enjoy being able to play a game that Not every kid can afford to pay for. I like to be in a mature comunity of profanity. F2P is a big fat lie.


This man speaks the truth. I can prove his adroit point with a simple 3 word statement.

World Of Tanks.

WOT is much more fun than EVE will ever be. Stop playing randoms.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#35 - 2014-07-05 03:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Ruckert
In response to OP, cue EVE theme music.

http://youtu.be/lcIK3akktLU

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Mario Putzo
#36 - 2014-07-05 04:07:22 UTC
You know what is funny. Plex prices have increased almost proportionally to decline in average net income across the G8. Cost of living has resulted in a skewed plex market in this game. Now people who play to pay have to put in more hours.

EVE players have managed to almost create a mirrored economy to the real world. Instead of Gold, and yes I know the defacto global currency is no longer backed by Gold/ but Oil < Gold, PLEX is the economic indicator. What we have is a problem with the system.

EVE has a 1%.
People who have jobs have an unfair advantage in this game over others. They force players to spend more and more time doing mundane stuff, by inflicting their real world economic difficulties into the game world. PLEX has created a bridge where the rich now devour the poor...and the system lets them do it The flow of income is predominately one way...and I am not talking about the mundane tasks (jobs in the real world) Im talking about the fun factor is blasting asteroids actually fun....

THINK ABOUT THE ((%

The 99% can't have there game dictated to by the 1% they get all the breaks, they hold all the cards. It is time for equality in EVE. How can someone poses billions...while the rest of EVE starves.

WE ARE THE ((%
WE ARE THE ((%
Iain Cariaba
#37 - 2014-07-05 04:28:56 UTC
I budget for 2 accounts at $15/mo. If I have extra cash I will sub other accounts to train them til they are productive. I will not buy plex to maintain my subs. Do I have fun? Yep, every time I log on until it stops being fun, then I quit for a month or two or 36.

What is my cost for fun? No more than I am willing to spend.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-07-05 04:36:04 UTC
Yeah, I agree with the OP.

I never could understand the mentality of grinding up ISK to get a PLEX each month to pay for subscription. Definitely cuts out on the fun time. I usually buy a 1 year subscription which is actually the best deal. Cost about $11 a month which isn't very much at all. That way I can log in whenever I want and do whatever I want in game without worrying about making enough ISK to fund a PLEX.

Anyway, to each their own.



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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#39 - 2014-07-05 05:16:15 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
I have a passion, a truly great passion deep inside me, and that passion feels deadened by the need to 'work' at something meant to be enjoye.


-Hooker's Creed

Can confirm.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#40 - 2014-07-05 05:44:02 UTC
Ptraci wrote:


Grinding is a hallmark of bad game design. You know when people talk about EVE being a terrible game? It is. It is an absolutely awful game, and that is shown by its miniscule player retention rate. It is, however, a quite comprehensive system that works well within itself and has many different aspects - from building the stuff you need in the world to destroying it. Its complexity attracts certain people. As an economic and market simulator it's not bad, either. And of course it's heaven for griefers. But a fun game it is not - it becomes tedious after a while which is why even veteran players often quit and take long breaks.


When you quit this awful game, can I have your things?

On a more super serious note - I feel that if you looked at any other MMO that has been around as long as EVE online has - you'd find a pretty similar rate of "veteran" players who quit and take long breaks.

And on a (citation needed) note, and please don't think I am being sarcastic here....

"... that is shown by it's miniscule (sic) player retention rate" (citation needed)

So the retention rate is minuscule compared to... what? And can you provide some data to back this up?