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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-03 01:51:45 UTC
Hi,

I and some mates are planning to sometimes go in an unfarmed C4 hole to print some money. However I have no idea of which fleet we could use. We already used an Attack BC + logis combination that worked in C3, but I doubt that it could have a sufficient tank for C4 anoms. Of course a Domi RR (shield or armor) fleet would work but the wormhole wouldn't survive for a long time.

So any idea welcome :)
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-07-03 06:10:06 UTC
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-07-03 07:32:22 UTC
As is the answer to almost everything these days.... Ishtars -_-

.... or T3's lol

No Worries
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-07-04 13:02:44 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Hi,

I and some mates are planning to sometimes go in an unfarmed C4 hole to print some money. However I have no idea of which fleet we could use. We already used an Attack BC + logis combination that worked in C3, but I doubt that it could have a sufficient tank for C4 anoms. Of course a Domi RR (shield or armor) fleet would work but the wormhole wouldn't survive for a long time.

So any idea welcome :)


Wrong forum? I don't know.

Anyways a single BS or Tengu can do C4's all day every day. No need to split the costs amongst a fleet Ugh
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-07-04 13:44:30 UTC
King Aires wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Hi,

I and some mates are planning to sometimes go in an unfarmed C4 hole to print some money. However I have no idea of which fleet we could use. We already used an Attack BC + logis combination that worked in C3, but I doubt that it could have a sufficient tank for C4 anoms. Of course a Domi RR (shield or armor) fleet would work but the wormhole wouldn't survive for a long time.

So any idea welcome :)


Wrong forum? I don't know.

Anyways a single BS or Tengu can do C4's all day every day. No need to split the costs amongst a fleet Ugh

there is synergy in running a larger fleet, for example you can have a more efficient (spider)tank and thus afford higher average dps per fleet member.

as for the topic at hand: for obvious reasons keeping the investment down is probably a good idea, so ishtars or domis are indeed a good idea. spider repping tengus or navy scorpions may also be valid.

I should buy an Ishtar.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#6 - 2014-07-04 20:46:36 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:


as for the topic at hand: for obvious reasons keeping the investment down is probably a good idea, so ishtars or domis are indeed a good idea. spider repping tengus or navy scorpions may also be valid.


I agree with him, these are solid choices. But on top of that, I'd vote for the prophecy. Not the highest dps, but spider rep these and you'll be tanking C4 without a problem even with just 3. They're cheap and light (compared to a BS). Since the tank isn't local, you can add pure DPS-ships if you want to reduce the time to completion.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-07-05 13:10:48 UTC
Thanks for those replies. As I said, I don't want to use battleships since they would wreck the WH we want to use to acces the C4 and go back home. Ishtars may be nice but we don't have enough skilled member to find this as a valid solution. Same for Tengus (and a Tengu cost an arm and half).

I'll try some fit of spider tanked prophecy, thanks for the tip !
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-07-05 14:30:55 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Thanks for those replies. As I said, I don't want to use battleships since they would wreck the WH we want to use to acces the C4 and go back home. Ishtars may be nice but we don't have enough skilled member to find this as a valid solution. Same for Tengus (and a Tengu cost an arm and half).

I'll try some fit of spider tanked prophecy, thanks for the tip !



If you insist on using BC's then I would Highly, HIGHLY recommend Drakes. C4s do thousands of points of alpha on even a robust resist. I have seen CNR's and Golems lose 1/3 their entire shield in one hit. On top of that you have the neuting at 83km. I would go with a shield buffer tank and have back up ASB just incase something goes wrong.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-07-05 19:12:11 UTC
Which reminds me to upgrade my Command Ship pilot which I think is Minmatar.
(It may work to boost Drake though...)

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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-07-05 19:26:14 UTC
King Aires wrote:
If you insist on using BC's then I would Highly, HIGHLY recommend Drakes. C4s do thousands of points of alpha on even a robust resist. I have seen CNR's and Golems lose 1/3 their entire shield in one hit. On top of that you have the neuting at 83km. I would go with a shield buffer tank and have back up ASB just incase something goes wrong.


Yep we thought about that, but we're gunners / drone buddies. We don't know what those things that peeps call missiles are made for :p

However, maybe the Ferox can do the same job ?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-07-06 00:24:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Drakes and Prophecies both have hull bonuses of 20% to all resists at BC V. The Drake is to shield and the Prophecy is to armor. So the choice partly revolves around how you intend to tank.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-07-06 01:22:20 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Drakes and Prophecies both have hull bonuses of 20% to all resists at BC V. The Drake is to shield and the Prophecy is to armor. So the choice partly revolves around how you intend to tank.



ASB... efficiency of the remote shield booster. Trust me, love the Armor for pewing the pew but shields are 100x better for wormholes unless you want the love of non-ammo lazors.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#13 - 2014-07-06 23:20:03 UTC
4 x RR tengu's are the est\cheapest way to do this is you not living in the wh. If you use self reps you need to go faction.. rr you can go t2 in a c4. get 4 more and you can go run some c5/c6 anoms.. It is still worth it without the cap escalation if you are "ninjaing" sites. You will still need someone along to salvage.
btw.. 3 rr tengu's will do.. 4 makes for less stress as in some cases the ship being neuted is not the one being shot and you can fit warp disruptor's for the pvp that will come.

... What next ??
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-07-07 09:11:27 UTC
GordonO wrote:
4 x RR tengu's are the est\cheapest


They aren't cheap enough for us. Plus we don't have missile skills.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-07-07 11:24:51 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
GordonO wrote:
4 x RR tengu's are the est\cheapest


They aren't cheap enough for us. Plus we don't have missile skills.



"Cheap" is a relative term when you pull 100mil from a single site and you can run 10-20 sites a night in a couple hours.

You could seriously pay for complete faction fit Tengu fleet for four characters in about 2.5 days at most, use the rest of the month to buy plex with your isk and save for accidents.

Also, heavy missle training is like easy.

You will not find any combination of ships outside of RR Drakes, RR Tengus, Local Rep Tengus or Sleipners that will match the efficiency, survivability or ease of use. Unless you are willing to go to BS size.

If you don't have the skills, don't go to WH space in the first place. Isk is irrelevant.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-07-07 17:47:13 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
GordonO wrote:
4 x RR tengu's are the est\cheapest


They aren't cheap enough for us. Plus we don't have missile skills.


You should stick to C3 in rr drake gangs until this post is no longer true.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-07-07 18:45:50 UTC
King Aires wrote:

"Cheap" is a relative term when you pull 100mil from a single site and you can run 10-20 sites a night in a couple hours.

You could seriously pay for complete faction fit Tengu fleet for four characters in about 2.5 days at most, use the rest of the month to buy plex with your isk and save for accidents.

Also, heavy missle training is like easy.

You will not find any combination of ships outside of RR Drakes, RR Tengus, Local Rep Tengus or Sleipners that will match the efficiency, survivability or ease of use. Unless you are willing to go to BS size.

If you don't have the skills, don't go to WH space in the first place. Isk is irrelevant.


ATM we're skilling Dominix because it's a very nice jack-of-all-things ship ... unless you have to travel trough an other WH. I know that Tengu is the most efficient ship for any PVE out of Incursions, but I'm looking for something to close the gap before now and the time we have 4 Tengu pilots.

Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
GordonO wrote:
4 x RR tengu's are the est\cheapest


They aren't cheap enough for us. Plus we don't have missile skills.


You should stick to C3 in rr drake gangs until this post is no longer true.


You're probably right, but I guess that when everybody want to try something, it's nice to give it a try :)
Sitalces
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-07-07 18:59:23 UTC
"You're probably right, but I guess that when everybody want to try something, it's nice to give it a try :)"

We did just that me and the corp i was in at the time and we had alot of fun doing it :)

We did loose a few ships though.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-07-07 21:56:42 UTC
The problem with the Dominix is that you are going to kill your WH if it is a C4-C1 or a C1-K and the range is horrible for what you want to do.

The only drones that can hit at the needed range to survive a C4 Barracks for example is 85km+ and at that range you are using Sentries only. Sentries will get alpha'd by the sleepers. When you run out of drones you will be screwed.

So let us just refresh here. You have skills to fly BS, skills to use T2 SEntries and RR armor skills... also you have scanning skills or a scanning alt. But you have no skills for missiles, T3 or HACs? I mean a shield rokh for range would even be better than a Domi in my opinion.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#20 - 2014-07-08 08:05:39 UTC
King Aires wrote:
The problem with the Dominix is that you are going to kill your WH if it is a C4-C1 or a C1-K and the range is horrible for what you want to do.

The only drones that can hit at the needed range to survive a C4 Barracks for example is 85km+ and at that range you are using Sentries only. Sentries will get alpha'd by the sleepers. When you run out of drones you will be screwed.

So let us just refresh here. You have skills to fly BS, skills to use T2 SEntries and RR armor skills... also you have scanning skills or a scanning alt. But you have no skills for missiles, T3 or HACs? I mean a shield rokh for range would even be better than a Domi in my opinion.


Have you tried spider domis, in any situation?
Just keep those cap transfers running and drone aggro is a negligible problem. If there's any drones that're safe in case of sleeper aggro, it's the sentries with their big buffers (and close proximity to being scooped). And above that, they're in the lead when it comes to DPS at those ranges (behind cruise missiles, but without the damage delay). Apart from T3s or Marauders, I think that spider domis are as good as it gets with small groups. As for being to big for the hole, 3 domis are enough and getting them back and fourth through a hole isn't enough to pop any hole short from C1s, and who'll really go and farm those?
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