Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Subsystems are for modular ships, like the strategic cruisers.

Making the BlOps modular for effectively one variation with such specific impact seems more effort than necessary to me.

To me, it would make more sense to create a different ship model, specific to these details, rather than modularize the original.

I really wanted it to be a high slot module for a long time- but the thing is, as long as it was a module, it would be possible to use a mobile depot to take a huge advantage of it:

Step One: Sun Jump into a hostile system, gatecamped all to hell

Step Two: Warp off, drop mobile depot, switch out jump module for cynosural field

Step Three: Activate cyno, cue fleet bridging in undisturbed by anyone along the way

With the Engine applied as a rig, it drastically reduces the chance ships and fleets have to take advantage of it: A rig is destroyed, not removed- and this rig wouldn't be so cheap as to be affordably disposed of. The idea is to create a second option for Black Ops pilots, and to give them mobility and the ability to help a small covert fleet travel efficiently through difficult territory. If it's any sort of normal module, then it'll be abused, I guarantee it.

The only option that would allow it to be a module would be to make Black Ops unable to light normal cynos, period- but that would make them absolutely useless for players that use them currently, with what they can currently do.

Besides, even though it's a little out-of-the-ordinary, the only argument against it being a rig is 'rigs don't do that'- perhaps it could be more of a 'module', but would have to be fitted to a rig slot- the idea is that it is an extreme modification to the hull, not a modular additional system.

I know it may seem like I'm just arguing at you, but I do appreciate the feedback a lot Ideas are better when they're collaborative!

I'd like to see some sort of failstate for a cynoless jump, like on a roll of 15-100 its sucseeds and you end up at your destination, on a roll of 5-15 it loses lock and jumps you to a random celestial in a random system within jump range and within a cone in front of the ship and then on a roll of 1-5 the drive overloads and stalls the ship in space for 20 seconds doing heat damage to mods. Maybe on a roll of 1 you end up in a wormhole ^_^

It just sounds like risky tech to use and so should be risky and slightly unreliable.

+1. Us Vale dwellers have been looking for a way to invade Jove space and crash future ATs.

That's what I meant for it- to give it a role in covert fleet mobility- I don't know if it sounded like something different in my post, but I basically agree with you on every point there

Black Ops are support vessels, in this role- with the Harmony Engine, they can move around unhindered by gates and whatever may be lying in wait at them. If a pilot wants to move around independently, there you go- and if they want to move a covert fleet, there you go- having a pair of Black Ops, one hopping and one bridging, will let a fleet of covert ships move effectively through difficult territory.

I cannot be certain, but to me this sounds like a perfect description of taking an idea too far.

There is a Goldilocks zone here, as with many other ideas. (reference borrowed from planet ranges for expectations of life)

If it has too little presence, it defaults to our current mechanic set, if not less functional.

If it is over extended, then it becomes a straw man argument. Overstating something only proves that too much is unwanted, not a detail which is present in the original proposal.

Like bacon, it is only good when cooked the right amount.

I feel this way:
Black Ops class, having drastically separate strategic values, should be fully excluded from the new jump limitations.

No freighters are using it, I have no awareness of a fleet doctrine that seriously expects to counter equal numbers of non-covert combat ability...

In my view, since the reasons for affecting capital ships do not apply to BlOps, so why should the change?

Good one OP.

BLOPS Pilot here.

-1

why ?

Would make BLOPS OP and would offer a very easy way to dodge engagements

get pointed in site or elsewhere ? lol jump to sun.

same goes with hot drops.. you will land at random locations and will have to warp to the targets first making it useless for anything other then bridging.

on the other hand if its able to still jump to cynos you will be able to easily bail if things go wrong.

given that blops can already microwarpdrive cloak trick easily. and jump out they can then even bail do a random sun.

so no.