Wormholes

So you could say my corp is part of the smaller gang groups (don't mind the alliance they never come to W-space...yet..)
we generally roll with about 15-20 people including scouts.

1) Make the sigs not appear on the probe scanner unless someone has active probes out and is scanning.
I think this is good as it takes away "free intel" but still allows for the intel to be there just you need to do a little extra. I believe this is a good median between a full delay on sigs showing and how it is now although you could even do that the sig pops up after 5-10 minutes without probes but you can get it within 10 seconds of hitting the probe button. it will allow our scouts to find targets easier and it will hopefully give us a few more ganks and such. keep wh space scary :)

2) More random k-space. exits and entrances
We live in a c4>c3 and dont really mind not having more then one static. thats just fine. we don't have anything against having a random null or low into our hole as it just brings more content and it does not nerf anything that we do that I can see. it will also make c4 space less of a pain to live in as I know a few people that live in c4>c4 and they will generally find their own wh back before they find a k-space.

3) Moving WHs
I saw this one before and it seems kind of hilarious. it would only be cool if it was very very rare as otherwise it would become a pain. and it would be most funny if it moves around at about 2000m/s but always stays withing about a hundred km from its starting point. maybe the other side does not move or moves slower. I can just imagine a fleet jumping through and being all spread out. this could be used as a tactic as well especially for covops groups. but I can see this will cause some hate so if it gets implemented it would need to be very very rare. It would also make wh space even more different from k-space in that some gates move around :)

4) Make ore sites scannable and add ice belts take the place of current ore anoms
Im not really an industry guy but I know a few and for them do go mining we generally close of the exits because its just too easy for a cloaky to jump in. check Dscan then log on his saber character or get a friend and jump in and warp to the site. Im not really sure what the effects of ice in w-space would be but one thing I can see is even less dependence on k-space as then fuel can be completely produces in w-space (I think as I said im no industry guy) and this would be a huge thing for c4>c4 or other places that never really get an easy HS. this could also be a specific thing for affects such as a black hole affect that it spawns more indy sites (not my idea it was in the thread before as well)

5) Downtime sig IDs
I dont personally play too much around this time but its just annoying for people that already have a half hour in their playtime that the server is down it. it will just make it easier for them and wont affect really anyone else that I can think of. Its just making it hard for one tz while not affecting any other people. I just believe that this makes no sense. as most wormholes have life less then 24 hours it does not effect late eu and early us but effect right in the middle. if there is a reason for this please im all ears.

6) Split probe scanner and Dscan
This is just an easy life improvement. Its nice to be able to check Dscan while scanning a system

so here are my first few ideas. please keep up the good work, its nice to see someone looking out for w-space and being active about it. not everything I have just said comes just from me so please don't be anoyed if i re said some things its just I find these all good ideas.
keep the thread going guys and feel free to reply for clerification.

Fly free,
Undermine

Thanks for creating this thread, much of what is suggested here is relatively minor, I take that as a sign that WH in general is still well balanced. Having said that, here are some thoughts


1. Meaningful deployables. I wrote some time ago about WH generators. Basically, you plop down a "C2" generator and a new hole spawns. 1 / system, dies after e.g. 2 hours and its fairly expensive. Other meaningful deployables could be mobile anom / sig generators for various types. Of course, nothing is as simple as that, it requires thought. But it would go in-line with CCP's desire to make players more "in charge" of their environment.

2. Put the ore sites back into signatures. I personally do not mine but with the new compression array, WHs could be more lucrative for industrial corps. Mining however is too dangerous, especially in holes with many connections. We _want_ industrial corps in WH space. Each indy corp has a few scouts, a few site runners and a few guys who want to PvP. The concept of EVE / WH space being all PvP is not sustainable in the long run.

3. Add value to "lower tier" WHs. Without PI, C1 and C2 life becomes unsustainable. The fuel prices are the same as for a C6 but the income is pitiful. And PI... see below.

4. Fix PI. Not WH specific but the clickfest to manage a planet is asinine. Its much more mental torture than part of a game. Everyone loves the ability to make ISK without danger but it likely caused thousands of carpal tunnel syndromes already.

5. Hauler balance. What happened to the whole concept of "trade-off" in ship balance? A warp-stabbed Epithal is near invulnerable. How did that slip past the CSM 8 (was it CSM 8?). The idea of dedicated PI bays is neat but there has to be a consequence for maxing its cargohold.

6. Moon mining, yes, its a low / nullsec thing. But we have nullsec Planets, why not moons? Don't make it a big thing, 1 moon / system with limited resource layer. It would give WH corps more incentives to roam, evict and move their homes. It would give smaller corporations more staying power and reasons to fights (and to evict others). How about scaling it reversely: The most valuable moons go into C1/2? Now that would get some activity in those neglected places (I am not entirely serious about that)

5. C1-4 Escalations. C5-C6 have escalations, why not the other WHs? Instead of a Cap to initiate, use a BS to do so in C2-C3 and a BC in C1. Spawn a couple of battleship rats, maybe scram to make it more dangerous.

6. Alliance / corp based market place. SugarKyle recently wrote about the role of Alliances. Basically, allow corporations and alliances to generate tradehubs out of POS-es. The access to the market is defined by the access to the POS (in WH space thats pretty limited, I know) and the the volume can not exceed the dedicated hangar. But it would allow corps / alliances to sell to their members directly instead of using some complicated spreadsheet and it would allow WH alliances to put up markets inside their holes / in k-space for their alliance mates. And in Wormhole space, nobody pays taxes, of course.

7. Hack towers. There must be a thread somewhere but WH space has too many dead towers sitting around. A dead tower should be "hackable", then take it down and with you. It cleans up space, removes (to some extent) the defense against invaders and could generate a little cottage industry of WH divers who make ISK from it (and hence become targets).

8. Balance hacking sites. I don't know what most people do but we don't even bother with hacking our Data and Relic Sites. To run them (C4) needs a team, its not efficient to hack the containers, it is much more efficient to run the next anom or signature. We would do it if they contained something more valuable (even if it was rare).


Thats it for now. I am sure I can think of more later.

I agree with the idea of the POS mod. It should not allow to jump between systems or even between two different POSes, only to swap heads in the same in the same POS.

Its called a Mobile Depot and a safe spot, basically.

To the guy who said there should be a module or deployable which drops people out of warp at random ranges from the wormhole, I say "DICtor or HICtor" basically.

My Little Things

* bring back bumping of wormholes. YES I SAID IT.

* C1 should be purple so everyone can see the rainbow carebear holes.

* +1 for splitting d-scan and probe scan

* +1 for delay of WH sigs turning up in Discarebeary Probe Scaredycat

* +1 for d-scan inhibitors not turning up on d-scan. Its....odd.

* Warp Core Stabs make your ship turn pink and/or align slower or nerf cargo by 90% per module. However, i will say, cloaked alpha panther is an appropriate counter to a PI corp who abuse WCS.

* Black Holes should provide a nerf to explosion velocity, tracking and agility and a boost to MWD and AB speed multiplier (yes, this will be even worse than currently, but it will result in everyone clamouring for the current modifiers to be reinstated, ending the whining instantly) and a reduction in MJD reload

* WR should increase mass penalty for armour plates.

No.

Ah, but the corrolary of that is that before downtime it's an absolute cakewalk to roll holes and scout and fix the wormholes. Eg, with 20 sigs in system all of them {}UX- or {}UY- it is easy to figure out SUK-567 and FUK-001 and COK-999 are all wormholes, at least till downtime, when everything gets reset to BLA-001 etc.

This is a whinge for the yanks and eurotrash. The real men only need to worry about souting before downtime, bearing after.

I am up to page five and nobody has mentioned the worst little thing about wspace IMO. The z-arrow in scanning. How much time have you wasted scanning when you accidentally hit the z-arrow and had your probes zoom off 100 AU in Z? Not only is it painful to get them back, but often when you shoot them out that far their pattern gets compressed down to all probes centered at the same place. (That last bit is a bug, but can be easily worked around via hitting the scan presets. The position cannot.) Corbexx please make CCP see.

(more on this at http://vonkeigai.blogspot.com/2013/07/against-z-axis-arrows-in-scanning.html )

Agree with indy ships and warp core stabs to an extent, but sometimes they can be caught if you time your warp in and use prop mod to bump with and a friend with sabre helps too

Im not sure i like the idea of having more structures to control the number of sleeper sites spawn, it would take away some of the mystery feeling imo..

Escalations for low class wormholes could shake things up a little and maybe prepare players looking to move up the chain.
Im not sure its great if you drop battleships to escalate in a c1, imo would make more sense if the escalations scaled with the class of wormhole. Say a c1 gets 10x cruisers if a battlecruiser or higher warps in, c2 gets 10x frigates, cruisers and 2 battleships, c3 gets a mix of frigates cruiser and 3 battleships and c4 gets 10x frigates, cruisers and 4 battleships.
Could have the number of ships that scram in the escalation waves escalate in each class of wormhole too, like 25% in c1, 40% in c2 and 70% in c3 and 100% in c4.

Fleet bookmarks would be cool, they could be saved temporary in the fleet bookmarks, so evey1 in fleet can warp to them as long as they are in fleet. Helps small alliances do things togheter easier.

But but but ... It wouldn't really affect small corps such as mine and certainly annoy farmers :) But: Large corporations would probably be f*** over quite thoroughly by such a change.

I don't believe that nerfing stuff can be any good atm, be it efficiency, overall resources or else. It's not like wormholes are being overrun by players ... they just don't seem to be THAT good to appeal to more people.

Yes please. rolling is boring.