Wormholes

I also agree. I like the changes....noctis isnt useless...8 salvagers and go.

I agree with you on that point. There is a invisible cap of the amount of people you need to do a site, vs its potential payout. The loots the same, but the division of payment for the work fluxuates.

And whoever said (hide 0% scanned sigs) is god. That's a ridiculous amount of free intel.

It sounds like this would mess around with the current situation that is "fight on the hole, jump out if you get low". Also, what if you accidentally jumped through the hole? Then you'd end up stuck on the other side?

Hey Corby,

I would like to pint out a few ideas. Some of those have been pointed out previously but I think it is important to mentions them. So here is my list of small things.

1. Make black holes something else. Like an industrial wormhole for example. Wspace lack industrialists and such a thing would interest them greatly.
2. Solve C4 straight line chain issue. It can be dual statics (which I would prefer) or increased chance of dynamics. C4s should also have ability to spawn k space wh.
3. Make it so that signature names do not change after DT. It is annoying to scan out the entire chain again.
4. I know this will touch POSes but it might be not a terrible idea. Make it so you can configure access to POS structures not via roles but via corp Titles instead. This would be nice temp solution for increased POS security.
5. Hide the system name of the wormhole. People already use tools to determine how many moons and planets there are, or who lives there by looking at J sig. Make it so it is a bit harder for players to understand where they are. I know players would make sure eventually to come up with tools which tell which system it is but for a while it would be hilarious chaos.
6. Something something rorqual being useful. Clone swapping is one of long standing ideas.
7. Make it so that wormhole colors are visible under low resolution as they are become visible when jumping animation starts. So this is not a load issue.
8. Increase capital shield and armor rep power by 15% as it was done with other sized modules.
9. Ability to know what kind of effects and their strength in game.
10. Randomize signature sizes. So people can not determine what it is by just looking at the signature size.
11. Visual representation of polarization timer. It can be a bit tricky as there can be multiple polarization timers. The most simple solution to show the longest one.
12. Make some systems more useful than others by introducing dual statics in some random C6/C5/C3 and C1 WHs.
13. Make it so that there is no need to re-tag targets after someone new lands on grid.
14. Reduce battleship mass when using MJD by 50% for example. So that people can bring more battleships through Wh.
15. Add PVE content to wormholes when it is added to other spaces. Good example was gjost sites but we need more.
16. Reduce can count in Radar and Mag sites so you don't have to spend 40 minutes in order to hack all the cans. Reduction in drops might be a good idea. Especially in Radar sites.
17. Reduce the drops of non melted nano ribbon non NPC loot. It is useless right now the only thing it can be valued by the players if the drops decrease.
18. Make it so that the higher of the ship mass the further it spawns from the wormhole by jumping through. Would increase the ability to catch rolling ships, would make rage rolling slower.
19. Give lower class players something special. Higher classes have capital escalations. Lower classes should have something too.
20. Give ability to close or hide Moon analysis tab on Scanner window. No-one ever uses in in wspace.
21. Give ability to unstack dscan from probe scanner. ou sometimes want to do both at the same time.
22. Give sleepers ability to randomly drop sleeper Faction/Dead-space loot.
23. Give security status increase for killing sleepers. Drones have it now so sleepers should.
24. Ability to jump clone out of wspace to kspace but not back. Sometimes you want to get to kspace fast but dont want to kill your implants. This is connected to rorqual but could be esier to implement.
25. Include what was in CHA on kill-mails much like SMAs.
26. Solve the auto appearing signature issue on scanner. Either by delaying new sig or removing this feature all together or any other method. Right now it is just too safe to do stuff in your home.
27. Move mining sites back to sigs or make more incentive to do industry other wise. (IE Black hole industry effect).
28. Give wspace unique PI resource. We have unique NPC loots why not have unique PI thingy.
29. Some of the new ship skins should drop only in wspace. Like for example T3 ship skins.

First of all, and as has been posted before, I think any change made to W-space should:

- Not create an advantage to any player group, be them either PVP or PVE focused, big corps or small ones.
- Keep the W-space feeling of "unknown space".

That said, these are my "Little Things":

Black Hole systems
We know most of them are empty because their effects are mainly disadvantageous to everyone. There was this topic some months ago that tried to collect some ideas for new effects for them. In line to the beggining of this post, those effects should not be advantageous to anyone in particular, neither disadvantageous (neutral). To that, I'd add the requirement of: system effects should only affect ships themselves and their modules (as they do now) and not the system itself, its wormhole spawning rate, its signature spawning rate, etc.
From that topic, 2 ideas stood out the most for me:

- Making BH's missile friendly. Right now no system effects help missiles (excepting Wolf-Rayets, partially), and BH's in particular are negative towards them. Giving BH's bonuses to, let's say, missile max speed and explosion velocity (or perhaps even explosion radius too) would make them shine on there. They could be systems where Caldari POS could be really good... if they get updated to not needing CPU to use their launchers (and thus not losing their weapons when entering reinforced mode), which by the way I think would be very reasonable. It would also help the Phoenix.

- Making BH's industry friendly. In particular, they could give bonuses to yield for mining lasers, and cycle time for ice and gas extractors. That way, any corp that wants to take advantage of the awesome resources avaliable could settle there and have a powerful and fast production going. That would help all player groups: everyone can manufacture their own stuff in their home system and have their ships, modules, ammo... ready for any activity they may want to do, or perhaps just sell the materials in K-space.

Both of these ideas could keep the current theme of high speed, low manouvering BH's have.

C4 systems
Right now C4's aren't very populated either because they require more powerful fleets but they don't have capital escalations. One idea I've been tinkering about is the possibility of "mini-escalations" that spawn when enough battleships (of any kind) are brough into the sites. These mini-escalations could spawn the same advanced Sleeper battleships capital escalations feature, although less of them, thus lesser income than C5's but higher than C3's. Let's say, 1 or 2 of these advanced battleships. Or perhaps even not advanced battleships at all but instead spawning a bigger fleet of standard Sleepers.

It has also been proposed to give C4's more connectivity, in particular between W-space systems. I personally think it's not a bad idea. Can't see a con to that, excepting perhaps not benefiting PVE groups because it increases the chance of being ganked (more doors), while benefiting PVP groups for giving them more doors too. I think it should be discussed properly.


Some more Little Things I'd like to see are:

- New high-definition nebulae for W-space. The current ones are very beautiful and I love them, but they look outdated compared to K-space ones. New ones, based on the current theme and colors, would be welcome. There was a topic in this forum section where I posted the possibility of changing some colors on the scale: white-blue-green-yellow-orange-red instead of blue-dark blue-white-yellow-orange-red. Also, I'd LOVE to see a purple nebula.

- New solar flares for system effects. They too are old, although awesome. I don't know how these effects are included in the game: as part of the background or as a real "sun" located hundreds of AU away that can't be warped to (which is a common system configuration in real life space). I personally think the latter would work nicely for the Solar Flares and allow for more dynamic lighting of the objects and ships.

- More music variety for W-space. And by the way, for nullsec too. Right now we hear the same track over and over again, while highsec and lowsec have awesome track variation. I'd love to hear new tracks that keep the "mistery" of W-space.


I'd prefer not to touch the Survey Scanner topic, but I think removing its features from W-space (new sigs appearing instantly) would not hurt much anyone in particular; one reason is that it violates the "principle" of keeping the "unknown" feeling of W-space. PVE groups would have to put more attention on scanning their wormholes, although that's what they were doing before Odyssey. On the other hand, PVP groups would no longer benefit from seeing the signatures located in space, where they could point their cameras to, thus being able to use their D-Scan easily for checking for targets. But, as I said for the C4 increased connectivity idea, this should be discussed properly.

My 2 cents, hope this helps.

We should probably reduce this list to stuff CCP could actually implement within the expansion cycle. I'm thinking the following should be focused on initially.

Priorities (simple fixes)

1) Split the Dscan/Probe window into two windows
2) Remove ore sites from discovery scanner (back to Anoms)
3) Remove Auto Updating new signatures from Probe Scanner

Longer Term Wormhole Life Improvements (more complicated stuff)

1) Revamp of Black Hole Systems
2) Dual Static C4 space
3) Personal Ship Maintenance Array.
4) Temporary Timed Bookmarks (auto deleting bookmarks)

Wishlist of Wormhole life Improvements.

1) Clone Swapping (either by Rorqual or by Pos module)
2) Wormhole Industrial creation (building sleeper modules and future sleeper ships, assembly of T3's in POS's, building pos modules)
3) Sleeper module loot drops (aka sleeper version of deadspace modules), and other added PVE content.
4) Ice (hey some want to do it).

.... honestly I think that is really it. Most believe wormhole space does not need a lot of changes, just some basic fixes, and some added improvements.

Yup CCP could effectively kill two birds with one stone by introducing a new T3 modules like, for example, a low slot mass reducer which could stimulate the wormhole economy and make battleship fleets viable...

Sadly CCP have already said they won't be adding new wormhole content for the foreseeable future, they're just going to be focusing on fixing the things they break after every expansion.

Is this the same way the DED site upgrades work (which have always been assumed to be broken)?

EXACTLY. +1


I'm reading a lot of idea advocating changes, not creating additional content. Most make it more dangerous for the small groups, many who have moved out or merged into larger groups.

Leave the c4s alone except for maybe a random kspace exit from time to time. There are already enough groups in c2s and c5s rolling into c4 guys.

Yup.