Science & Industry

With patch day in a few weeks, what is everyone involved in industry doing to make sure they can hit the ground running with the new changes?

I understand Modules are going to cost more to produce after the patch. So I suspect stockpiling at present would be a good idea to make a profit.

Won't this slow supply and increase the price briefly before the suppliers catch up?

Modules would become more expensive, thus demand would reduce?

Or should we just continue as per usually with production.

Your thoughts?

Here's what I've done to prepare for the change:

1. Taken my POS down.
2. Sold my mineral reserve (~10 bills).
3. Put all of my blueprints away.

My intention is to wait 3 - 6 month post change to see what's happening, if any useful tools are around and whether or not it's worth continuing with research and manufacture. I'm basically not going to risk assets in the hope of price changes. When I played Somerblink I quit whilst I was ahead and never went back to it. I have no problem doing the same here either!

The only thing I am doing I'm not sure about it keeping hold of my blueprints. The way I see it CCP floor the price with NPC sell orders and I bought them all brand new so I'm never going to lose ISK on them, especially as they're all researched up.

Patch hits in the middle of my vacation and I have no guarantees I'll be able to get online much. Even if I can, I don't want to be spending my overseas holiday glued to EVE.

As such, I'm building as many of my BPCs up as I can until my vacation starts. After that I'll log in occasionally, as I can, just to make sure nothing's blown up in the interim. When I get back from holiday I'll evaluate and see how things are going, make decisions from there.

You should keep your ore it will be worth alot more after patch.

You know I got mine to 11/21 because I'm not sure how the rounding will work. Will 10 be 99.9999% and hence level 4? There are 20 PL levels on SiSi, does that mean you research up to 20 here? Or 21 if you're worried about rounding?

I don't know the answers to this. I've probably wasted a lot of POS time .

I have been dumping all my isk into buy orders for ore. My plan is to anchor one of the new compression arrays at my POS, compress all the ore, and put it back on the market at a decent markup. With mineral compression gone, compressed ore will be the only efficient way to get large amounts of low end minerals from high sec to the null sec systems where they are needed to build supers. Not to mention, low sec stations will now be the best place to make carriers and dreads, which also require large amounts of low end minerals, in compressed ore form.

I expect this will be the new meta for high sec miners, selling raw ore, or compressing it and selling compressed blocks. it will no longer be worthwhile for miners to refine the ore to increase their overall profits.

I am researching ME/PE to a min of 10 on all BPOs (most were there anyway). Ill admit I am not really sure how it is all going to pan out, there are a lot of changes and I've stopped even looking at the dev notes, Ill jump in once the patch hits and see what happens (there is only so much speculation on how things will be that you can do) not sure on what the scaling costs will be where I am based, it maybe that it ends up unprofitable for me so I may sell everything and move on to some thing else. We'll see.

According to the dev blog and my math:

ML 00 = 10% / (1 + 00) = 10.00%, becomes ME 00% [base * (1 - 00%) / 0.9 = 11.11% waste]

ML 01 = 10% / (1 + 01) = 05.00%, becomes ME 05% [base * (1 - 05%) / 0.9 = 5.55% waste]

ML 02 = 10% / (1 + 02) = 03.33%, becomes ME 07% [base * (1 - 07%) / 0.9 = 3.33% waste]

ML 03 = 10% / (1 + 03) = 02.50%, becomes ME 08% [base * (1 - 08%) / 0.9 = 2.22% waste]
ML 04 = 10% / (1 + 04) = 02.00%, becomes ME 08%

ML 05 = 10% / (1 + 05) = 01.66%, becomes ME 09% [base * (1 - 09%) / 0.9 = 1.11% waste]
ML 06 = 10% / (1 + 06) = 01.43%, becomes ME 09%
ML 07 = 10% / (1 + 07) = 01.25%, becomes ME 09%
ML 08 = 10% / (1 + 08) = 01.11%, becomes ME 09%
ML 09 = 10% / (1 + 09) = 01.00%, becomes ME 09%

ML 10 = 10% / (1 + 10) = 00.91%, becomes ME 10% [base * (1 - 10%) / 0.9 = 0.00% waste]
ML 11 = 10% / (1 + 11) = 00.83%, becomes ME 10%

So PL will be similar: the BPO will be the same or better (of course they are normalizing base time-waste, so odd-ball things like fuel blocks might be different, as most other things currently have 25%).

Like most of you I researched all my BPOs to 10/10. I was planning on slowly building a collection of ship BPOs but the Crius changes meant I put things into overdrive and have now a good collection of ship BPOs researched.

And like a lot of you I'm probably not going to keep my POS in the current position and configuration. However depending on how much of an effect "system cost" really has on total build cost of T2 items I am contemplating maybe putting up a tower in a >0.8 system where currently no industry is possible (no factories etc) and where "system cost" should be low.

Apart from that I'll probably build a large stockpile of the items I'm already making, on the assumption that the system cost will increase the build cost and that the "wait and see" approach some are talking about will cause supply to drop & prices to increase.

Then again I too will probably fit in the "wait & see" category at least until IPH is updated as I can't imagine doing T2 production without it (doing all calculations myself in a spreadsheet would drive me nuts).

Ice reprocessing amounts will also be adjusted, so it is possible to get more ice products after Crius, if you have the skills / implant / facilities.


If you had N% waste on the BPO before Crius, CCP's line is that you will have the same N% waste or less after Crius.

Of course that doesn't take into account three new factors:
* Base waste for most BPO is increasing from 10% to 11.11%
* Extra materials are being converted into regular materials, which are subject to waste.
* Material rounding has changed, which effects jobs greater than 1 run.

So it is likely you'll want to research BPO at least an additional level, if not already at max.