Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As per CCP's original intent, the extra sleeper battleships spawned were to discourage Capital use. Nowadays, that is explicitly not the case. The only reason players take Caps in is for the extra bs. This mechanic is one of the most broken PVE systems in the game. Much more so than incursions.

For the uninitiated, let me break it down for you.
C5 site = 200m in blue loot.
C5 site fully escalated = 580m isk blue loot minimum.
The system can & is almost always closed off via collapsing all the active wormholes before running it.
Due to the closed off system, PVE'rs are perfectly safe with the exception of logoff traps & someone rolling into their system.
You can farm each C5 site for 3 downtimes before it finally despawns.
A skeleton crew, 2 dreads, 2 carriers, loki, & booster can run 3 sites an hour easily in near perfect safety.
The larger corps with multiple dreads on hand can easily run each site in less than a seige cycle. Even incursions in null aren't this broken.

Changes that should be made to restore balance & order:
Reduce the melted nano ribbon chance from capital escalations to 0.
The extra battleships should be e-war immune{webs & painters specifically}
Remove Blue loot from the extra battleships.
Capital escalations trigger the entire site, all spawns immediately to prevent farming for 3 downtimes per site.
Increase the orbit range of the battleships spawned to 60-75km.
Increase the nuet pressure from the sleepers enough to takedown a capital ship.
Force open the static wormhole upon escalation.
Adding elite sleeper frigs & cruisers to the cap escalation.

Is that some major class envy I hear?

I mean, besides the part where a group needs to field at least 6 people in highly expensive ships, a difficult to access system, importing all their supplies and fuel, scanning out their environment, and dealing with the very frequent isolation from normal space, forced co-operation, sudden unforeseeable ganks, potential evictions, etc, but them actually making money is horrible and in need of a nerf.


TLDR: I see you lower class dweller complaining about crews of coordinated players in high class WH's degrading the value of your farming operation salvage. Deal with it.

I think the bomb diffusing aspect is what's meant to keep them interesting.

I feel like this post isnt about "lets do something with farming C5/C6 WH" ... every isk income will eventualy be "optimalized" by players to maximum profit ... same is with incursions, same is with missions ...

When i red this post i thought "this guy was probably never in WH, he just heard about isk they make there and he got angry because they make more than he does with his archon ratting in null" ...



Thats why Quantum Explosions had 100 capital ships killed in May just in WH systems ... thats because farming there is perfectly safe ...


I really dont know why do u want to change something that is used at minimum of its potential ... 9 from 10 C5 wormholes i get into are either empty or with 1 small pos with no activity at all ... C6 WH are more populated because they are much more rare than C5, but u can still find many almost untouched C6 WH.
... only idea of those u wrote there i like is adding frigs and cruisers to capital escalations ... that would force players to bring subcapital fleet to grid ... Multiboxers who use WH solely as isk farm would have harder job and players who live in WH would have more fun there ....

... So basically if u want somethign to be done with WH systems, I would start with adding more entertainment there, because living in WH is so boring now ... all u can do there is farming, because u can keep rolling your static for 2 hours and biggest prey u find is some sleeping retriever on belt ...
... And i dont think theese irrational nerfing of yours will bring more players to alredy almost empty wormholes, CCP should now focus on making WH systems more interresting than more worthless ....

Yeah instead of adding content to wormholes, let's take stuff away and give people even less or a reason to move to C5/C6 space...

I so wish I could insult you right now... Those extra BS are in fact small dreads and can only be killed by player dreds (uless you want to shoot them for a month). How can you do that without paints and webs?

Oh I know: since capital spawn BS are like mini dreads make them siege for total e-war immunity AS WELL AS being stationary. Problem solved.

Go fly in C5/C6 than post...

If you make C5/6's less profitable you need to make the lower class wormholes much more profitable to make up for it and to improve activity in j-space. Otherwise you're just going to drive more people back to k-space

edit: to pre-clarify, this means c5 and c6 people will have more reason to roll into and invade lower class holes to take the sites from other people. Don't hurt the income, find a way to change the way people MAKE their income.

Not going to happen, C5/C6 farmers make 200m & 300m+ per site in blue loot w/o escalations. Full on escalations add on another 400m to the site. Going from that to the income level in C1-C4 space isn't an option. Strictly PVP only corps may jump down but they would find more action in FW, low, & npc null.

C4 sites solo marauder + noctis alt, 3-4 sites per hour for a good pilot, 90 mil a site, 300-350 an hour, far outpaces c5 income on an individual level. Total risk.. maybe 2 bil max assets between both characters, including semi pimp marauder and weapon implants.

Very rare for people to roll into you as compared to c5 space, people rolling in are likely less competent than c5 residents, 1 minute cycle time for bastion as copared to 5 for siege.

C4 income amazing for effort as compared to c5. C4 is horribly OP, recommend higher local tanks on c4 rats and lower rates of site respawns. Source: My recent month and a half long farming op in a c4. Nerf C1-4.