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Best counter for Stratios ?
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-07-01 08:29:09 UTC
So my space has seen a lot of Stratios ships roaming around as of late.
What ships best counter these?

I engaged one and tried to kite it with an ishtar ended up having to bring my alt on grid to jam him up so I could get away.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#2 - 2014-07-01 08:35:11 UTC
What is your Ishtar fit?

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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-07-01 08:54:06 UTC
Zappity wrote:
What is your Ishtar fit?


Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Curator II x5
Bouncer II x5
Gecko x2
Valkyrie II x2
Warrior II x1
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#4 - 2014-07-01 09:20:43 UTC
You Ishtar needs a Web.

Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.

Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-07-01 15:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
If a Stratios uncloaks 2000m away from you you're going to die unless you have friends that can come save you or you're using a fit specifically designed to bait and kill Stratioses. I'm not actually sure what such a fit would look like, but I'm sure there's some.

There's no realistic way to get an EHP/DPS combination high enough that you can win a brawl with a Stratios that's probably going to double web you, and still have a fit that's capable of doing anything besides bait. Yeah, if you put a bunch of plates on a blaster Proteus you'll crush them, but the chance of him actually attacking you are pretty minimal as you can't even pretend to rat in it.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-07-01 15:27:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Gila.

Go to EVE-kill, look up my name, laugh when you see the Stratios i killed with a pve Gila that didn't even have a point. almost killed his Enyo buddy as well.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-07-01 15:47:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
Yeah, I'm not surprised he got himself killed using post-patch Geckos against a ratting ship. Pre-patch at least the raw DPS was higher, now you give up half your potential DPS shooting directly into the resists they're tanking. Also MAAR + 800mm sucks, use 1600mm plates + EM drones, nobody rats in armor-tanked ships anymore. The mobile depot exists, use that to rep up between fights if you have to.

Hardest part of killing someone in a Stratios isn't tackling them or surviving, it's killing them before their friends show up.

Here's the Stratios fit I use:

[New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Adaptive Nano Plating
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reactive Armor Hardener

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400

Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

CA-1, CA-2, 3% CPU implant.

Probes down your target, 600 DPS, 60,000 EHP before the RAH adjusts. Drone boats have to shoot through 125k EHP if they're carrying a single damage type, which is usually true of ratting boats.
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-07-01 16:20:11 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
You Ishtar needs a Web.

Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.

Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz.

It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill.

Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#9 - 2014-07-02 00:41:32 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
If a Stratios uncloaks 2000m away from you -snip-


I'm so sorry dear but if a Stratios decloaks 2000m in front of you, you have about 5 seconds to warp away, since she cannot do anything but turn the modules on at this point.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#10 - 2014-07-02 00:50:49 UTC
polly papercut wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
You Ishtar needs a Web.

Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.

Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz.

It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill.

Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous.


I think you missed the point of his comment.

Needing to resort to such tactics is the sign of a terrible player.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-07-02 01:57:36 UTC
polly papercut wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
You Ishtar needs a Web.

Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.

Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz.

It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill.

Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous.


Yeah I also like my solo PvP better when the other guy can't activate modules on me.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-07-02 09:31:54 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Yeah, I'm not surprised he got himself killed using post-patch Geckos against a ratting ship. Pre-patch at least the raw DPS was higher, now you give up half your potential DPS shooting directly into the resists they're tanking. Also MAAR + 800mm sucks, use 1600mm plates + EM drones, nobody rats in armor-tanked ships anymore. The mobile depot exists, use that to rep up between fights if you have to.

Hardest part of killing someone in a Stratios isn't tackling them or surviving, it's killing them before their friends show up.

Here's the Stratios fit I use:

[New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Adaptive Nano Plating
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reactive Armor Hardener

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400

Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

CA-1, CA-2, 3% CPU implant.

Probes down your target, 600 DPS, 60,000 EHP before the RAH adjusts. Drone boats have to shoot through 125k EHP if they're carrying a single damage type, which is usually true of ratting boats.


I've tried to fit that into EFT, but with all5 and implants I end up doing 500DPS with Praetor2, at 104.93% CPU (after implants)
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-07-02 11:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaari Inkuran
Jonas Staal wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
Yeah, I'm not surprised he got himself killed using post-patch Geckos against a ratting ship. Pre-patch at least the raw DPS was higher, now you give up half your potential DPS shooting directly into the resists they're tanking. Also MAAR + 800mm sucks, use 1600mm plates + EM drones, nobody rats in armor-tanked ships anymore. The mobile depot exists, use that to rep up between fights if you have to.

Hardest part of killing someone in a Stratios isn't tackling them or surviving, it's killing them before their friends show up.

Here's the Stratios fit I use:

[New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Adaptive Nano Plating
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reactive Armor Hardener

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400

Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

CA-1, CA-2, 3% CPU implant.

Probes down your target, 600 DPS, 60,000 EHP before the RAH adjusts. Drone boats have to shoot through 125k EHP if they're carrying a single damage type, which is usually true of ratting boats.


I've tried to fit that into EFT, but with all5 and implants I end up doing 500DPS with Praetor2, at 104.93% CPU (after implants)

It works in Pyfa. Dump EFT

Edit: well, the cpu works in pyfa. Dont know what he's doing with his drones because I get your numbers
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-07-02 12:56:04 UTC
600 DPS is with Ogres, I probably should have said that. EM drones are less raw DPS but pretty much 100% of all ratters are in shield tanked ships now so those are the drones to use.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#15 - 2014-07-02 14:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Tl;dr:

OGB and you're an awesome 1337 solo pvper

use the same alt in a falcon and people go buttmad <.<

Ed to the above:
Even with ogres and overheated conflag you're only reaching 570 -mainly therm- dps. For the 600mil it costs to assemble your stratios, you can buy two proteus outclassing that ship in every aspect: bang for buck, raw dps after decloaking, faster warpspeed, combat probes and twice the buffer. So why stratios?

If you want to really make use of the stratios for what it can do, you either fit AAR/RAH/nano or just shields straight away - in which case you'll have a bit more than half the buffer of the dualplated one, it regens though, go twice as fast, approach targets 50% faster when cloaked, and have ~30% more dps (700 with geckos/scorch against 560 with OH conflag+ogre II). Given that if a gank fails, it fails because back-up arrives and not cause the ratter actually starts killing you - I can't see the point in that 2plate stratios fit but dying to a barely competent gatecamp.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-07-02 16:09:24 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Tl;dr:

OGB and you're an awesome 1337 solo pvper

use the same alt in a falcon and people go buttmad <.<

Ed to the above:
Even with ogres and overheated conflag you're only reaching 570 -mainly therm- dps. For the 600mil it costs to assemble your stratios, you can buy two proteus outclassing that ship in every aspect: bang for buck, raw dps after decloaking, faster warpspeed, combat probes and twice the buffer. So why stratios?


1. Kinetic damage is garbage against today's ratters, 99% of which are in shield tanked ships with maxed damage mods and the vast majority of those are in Ishtars, Cerberuses, Gilas, and Tengus. Even VNIs have 40% base kinetic resist contrasted with 0% EM resist. Stratios goes out with whatever resist your targets are weakest too, Proteus is stuck with kin/therm. This is the biggest reason the Stratios is better, EM and explosive damage are far, far better damage types right now than kin/therm.

2. You don't get all that stuff on a Proteus. A 6/4/6 Proteus with gravitational capacitors and aug cap reservoir for 4 guns and 25m3 drones does 520 DPS with 3 MFS. It has more EHP than the Stratios but not by much, you've got a 3-slot tank at that point. You can drop damage for more tank but that's generally a bad idea as the #1 thing that makes you lose kills is not killing them fast enough before help arrives.

3. The Jita price for that Stratios is 450m, about 50% more than what you'll pay for the Proteus, not double.

4. The Stratios has absurd base agility, a Stratios with 2 1600mm plates has a higher MWD speed than a Proteus with one. It also has a much lower align time. Since you mentioned higher warp speed which means no nullifier, the Proteus is actually easier to kill with a gate camp. Put a nullifier on it and now you've either got a 2-slot tank or have to drop DPS.

Quote:
If you want to really make use of the stratios for what it can do, you either fit AAR/RAH/nano or just shields straight away - in which case you'll have a bit more than half the buffer of the dualplated one, it regens though, go twice as fast, approach targets 50% faster when cloaked, and have ~30% more dps (700 with geckos/scorch against 560 with OH conflag+ogre II). Given that if a gank fails, it fails because back-up arrives and not cause the ratter actually starts killing you - I can't see the point in that 2plate stratios fit but dying to a barely competent gatecamp.


No combat probing on a nano-Stratios. Mission runners are better targets than people in anoms, IMHO.
Blu Mileghere
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-07-03 07:31:54 UTC
I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.

Ion blaster

Mwd
Web
Scram
Cap booster

DcII
2 rep
2 magstab
Eanm

Nano pump II
anti ex pump II


770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat
Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#18 - 2014-07-03 10:03:39 UTC
Blu Mileghere wrote:
I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.

Ion blaster

Mwd
Web
Scram
Cap booster

DcII
2 rep
2 magstab
Eanm

Nano pump II
anti ex pump II


770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat
Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile


Decent Fit. although i'd be worried about it's ability outside a 1v1 with a strat.
Blu Mileghere
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-07-03 10:21:23 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Blu Mileghere wrote:
I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.

Ion blaster

Mwd
Web
Scram
Cap booster

DcII
2 rep
2 magstab
Eanm

Nano pump II
anti ex pump II


770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat
Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile


Decent Fit. although i'd be worried about it's ability outside a 1v1 with a strat.


Biggest problem is the short range of the ions. The Deimos is decent fast, so it is not a huge problem. I won 1 vs 2 nomens with this fit, works good for me
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#20 - 2014-07-03 10:50:52 UTC
Blu Mileghere wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Blu Mileghere wrote:
I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.

Ion blaster

Mwd
Web
Scram
Cap booster

DcII
2 rep
2 magstab
Eanm

Nano pump II
anti ex pump II


770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat
Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile


Decent Fit. although i'd be worried about it's ability outside a 1v1 with a strat.


Biggest problem is the short range of the ions. The Deimos is decent fast, so it is not a huge problem. I won 1 vs 2 nomens with this fit, works good for me


Deimos is the perfect ship for gobbling up some Navy Cruisers. it just sucks when you get hard tackled by someone who has a bigger stick than you...
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