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20 mill fitting challenge l4 mission runners
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stoicfaux
#21 - 2014-07-03 02:27:23 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
I don't see room for the tank/EW to help make that fit actually viable.

You don't have rigs to get the wardens to shoot past 60k
Scope chip is not enough.
You need 2 T2 Control range augmentors and then 2 omni's in the mids or lose guns for drone control units.
Your ship will only have 1 slot for tank or EW and will not function well.

Currently you don't do that kind of DPS at that range with ingame mechanics.

You're correct about the drone control range. I realized that just when the baby started crying. I have updated my fit. At 100km, you don't need a lot of tank, plus you can buffer tank as well.


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If going by those standards you can fit a sentry damage mod on the RS and use the extra high for range instead of second control range rig and still have the distance and get 1460 DPS out of the snake. TFI is fail on comparison.

Try it. If you include 5% missile implants, then it's a tie between the TFI and the RS at 1508 DPS if you include reload time. If you don't include reload time the TFI wins with 1558 versus 1548.

You can only fit a T1 sentry damage rig and a drone control rig on the Rattlesnake, which is offset by the TFI's 4th BCU, the 1400's and the fact that the missile implants benefit the TFI more because the TFI has more missile DPS.


Anyway, both fits are silly/useless due to a lack of damage application rigs/mods, never mind that the run level 4s at 100km requirement is inefficient.

Big smile

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#22 - 2014-07-04 00:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
If the goal is to run at 100k and under check this out! Shocked

Exibit A:

It's my only exibit really, but I think it's a damn good one.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70136-Rattlesnake-Kronos-Optimal-L4-Missioner.html

Applied damage insane-O
stoicfaux
#23 - 2014-07-04 01:25:00 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If the goal is to run at 100k and under check this out! Shocked

Exibit A:

It's my only exibit really, but I think it's a damn good one.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70136-Rattlesnake-Kronos-Optimal-L4-Missioner.html

Applied damage insane-O

Nice fit, but it's not all sunshine and lollipops: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fgSbnrcRplfqCPLcmDvaOlVl6AySWIhwGAcqzznsV7E/edit?usp=sharing

The first two columns are the Golem and CNR. The third is the Rattlesnake. The Golem and CNR can one shot non-elite NPC mission cruisers (of which the Seven Bodyguard is probably the hardest to oneshot.) The Rattlesnake's missiles tend to lag behind against battleships, which means it needs the drones to pick up the slack, which implies that the Rattlesnake is losing a large chunk of its DPS advantage over other missile ships. OTOH, the spreadsheet doesn't take NPC shield/armor regen into account, so the numbers aren't a final say.

Long story short, the Rattlesnake's missile DPS is a tad underwhelming which has me concerned that a large chunk of the drone DPS is needed to make up the different which is why I would like to see mission times before passing judgement on the 'snake.

Especially when you take into consideration DPS loss from TP falloff, drone aggro, drone ranges/travel times, volley mis-counting, etc.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#24 - 2014-07-04 01:28:58 UTC
That factor makes them put out more not less DPS.

Missiles over volley NPC's and lose a % of DPS from it.

Drones don't suffer so hard from such things like missiles.
It's the reason many like turrets over missiles.

You use the missiles to soften up BS and BC ships and let drones do the mopping.

It's heavy on the mirco management but it will out perform a straight missile boat on applied DPS.
stoicfaux
#25 - 2014-07-04 02:54:35 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:

It's heavy on the mirco management but it will out perform a straight missile boat on applied DPS.

I agree that it *should* (in theory) outperform a straight missile boat, but the real question is "by how much" does it actually outperform a Golem or CNR or TFI? Between the micromanagement and the DPS loss to various vagueries, does the Rattlesnake's "extra" applied DPS actually allow it to out-earn (in terms of level 4 income) a Golem with its ability to loot/salvage on the fly, immunity to ewar, 1 minute MJD, etc.?

And then of course, even if the Rattlesnake is noticeably better than a Golem, is it better than a Vargur/Mach?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#26 - 2014-07-04 02:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
A lot.

Yes.

Yes.
Locutus Mind
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-07-07 14:15:02 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If the goal is to run at 100k and under check this out! Shocked

Exibit A:

It's my only exibit really, but I think it's a damn good one.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70136-Rattlesnake-Kronos-Optimal-L4-Missioner.html

Applied damage insane-O



is the winner. isk transfer will commence tonight
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-07-07 14:28:25 UTC
Locutus Mind wrote:
is the winner. isk transfer will commence tonight

Yep, its a winner alright.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-07-07 15:10:29 UTC
If you define ability to loot and salvage on the fly as part of "performance" then obviously a boat that can do those things is going to rank higher in your personal preferences than one that can't. Obviously. Its kind of a silly discussion to even have. Performance in blowing things up? That's something else.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-07-07 16:12:08 UTC
How about performance in getting past a gate with 6 or 7 Tornadoes hanging around?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-07-07 18:12:42 UTC
Would love to get clarification from the original poster about what the heck he meant.

Macharial for blitzing.
Marauder for tanking a dread's worth of dps while sitting still.
Tengu for tanking a dread while moving.
Rattlesnake / Shield DNI for 100% at-the-keyboard running L4s.
MJD Domi / AFKTar for lazy running.

Also it depends on your playstyle and whether or not you're just blitzing or clearing.
Locutus Mind
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-07-08 04:00:04 UTC
I feel that the rs fit has the most effective dps at 100 km and overall versatility.

Thank you all for your contributions they have made this an interesting post.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-07-08 07:14:23 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
[Golem, Max Damage]

Thon's Modified Ballistic Control System
Thon's Modified Ballistic Control System
Thon's Modified Ballistic Control System
Thon's Modified Ballistic Control System

Large Micro Jump Drive
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger
Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger

Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Salvage Drone I x5
'Integrated' Hobgoblin x5

Just over 1100 DPS and a 1400 DPS tank vs EM/Thermal rats. MJD for extra safety.


Wow thats pretty awesome. Do you fly that ship ?

http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-07-08 16:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Luwc wrote:
Wow thats pretty awesome. Do you fly that ship ?

I think you missed the point of my post.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#35 - 2014-07-10 00:50:52 UTC
Isk received. Thanks!
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