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Dealing with bigger entities

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2014-07-05 03:04:02 UTC
Jlust Orin wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

How amusing, it happens you can break people by making them shoot pos while never being able to win the timer

Cannot decide if that was sarcastic or not.

Take some subcaps and reinforce our pos a few dozen times, see how you like it.

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Bhaelhalel
Bite Down on This
#62 - 2014-07-10 14:23:13 UTC
Crazy Mineer wrote:
is that what you said to tactical agression? :)


No, they called us SPAIS and booted us to take our moons for their masters in SYJ...

What they should have said to TAAG was "We don't care that you're loyal, fight for us to the last man, stood on your own in Aridia for us, stood on your own for income so that the alliance didn't have to baby sit you but, we're still going to slander your names, call you spies, kick you from alliance, and take your resources." Instead of accusing our CO of being a spai and indicating that the "Corruption came from the top down.."..

Only a fool beats a loyal dog.. What did EE do to TAAG? Exactly that..
RAGE!!!!Shocked

Don't bother watching your back cuz we're comin' from the front!

Take that Lazy!!! "You guys never post and I want to troll you."..
Troll away sir!

How does a smaller corp deal with a larger entity?
Determination, guerrilla warfare (hit and run tactics), and kinship with others that despise the likes of those that would squander their loyal allies and slough them off.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-07-10 15:54:09 UTC
Bhaelhalel wrote:

How does a smaller corp deal with a larger entity?
Determination, guerrilla warfare (hit and run tactics), and kinship with others that despise the likes of those that would squander their loyal allies and slough them off.

This sounds...familiar.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2014-07-10 18:43:19 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Bhaelhalel wrote:

How does a smaller corp deal with a larger entity?
Determination, guerrilla warfare (hit and run tactics), and kinship with others that despise the likes of those that would squander their loyal allies and slough them off.

This sounds...familiar.

Our Band of Blobbers

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Flav Mine
TACTICAL AGGRESSION
#65 - 2014-07-10 21:21:06 UTC
mineer,

my advise all i can give is you cant win a war against such numbers without gaining numbers yourself, EE/SYJ as they are in bed together make its anestimated 800+ man alliance to deal with.
i know us being a 70 man corp has managed to hold for 3 weeks now under massive pressure from their turncoat tactic to stay loyal to SYJ, but in saying that it proves no negotiation can ever be trusted with these people.
we fought for them, we stuck loyal to the cause, we made sure we were self sustained (no SRP here mate), we stood to protect their assets and SYJ's in aridia while EE turned their back on em for gate camps in ami.

all was lost and EE dumped us so SYJ could regain some kind of income as they had gotten so fat and lazy they lost theirs to another. even shamed by the newly formed BFS alliance who now holds half of their assets.

end result is we were branded spies, called dogs and dropped with no warning (brings a question: if we were spies why are we standing alone right now in our fight against them)

as far as fight just do what you do keep moving if they cant blob you or call PL as they scream in local everyday to us they just wont fight. we've held genisis for 3 weeks now lost 1 moon so far that 70 men vs 800+ worst part is even with these odds they are still calling for help. reinforced 3 towers lastnight all we got was an syj guy hop in system at the end and state "we calling PL on you" like we gonna wait round or something.

we have lived in gensis for 3 yrs and we are still here. ASSENTION gone, UA gone unpro is gone, WTFM8, gone only time will rid get of them they are destined to implode or screw the wrong person as they always do. PL will wake up a realise babysitting these fools will ruin their reputation aswell. also crying to N# and shooting other N# members is that even a tactic or just plain ignorance.

wait till the dust settles TIGERS will still be there and so will TAAG whether we own assets or not it just makes for more content, and EE/SJY are good for it.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2014-07-10 21:27:27 UTC
amazingly painful to read.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-07-10 22:28:15 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
My uncle is kindofa a bigger entity, And holy shiart is he sensitive about that issue.

I just made one little joke. One tiny weeny itzy bitzy comment about his size, maybe two but for sure no more than three, and he won't even talk to me for 2 years now. Shocked

So when dealing with bigger entities, don't try to be funny unless you know what you're doing. Straight

Kinda sad, really. Why do people always make a fuss about somthing like that. Ugh


Your uncle has serious fat-guilt, which explains his completely irrational response. It is likely eating him up inside, knowing what an unhealthy hambeast he is becoming, and so your comment provides him an opportunity to lash out at someone else for his problem, to lay the blame on you and others, as if you made him that way. Now, he either feels guilt, realizing that he completely overreacted at your comments, or he has further villainized you in his mind.

As for dealing with larger alliances, pick somewhere to roam that they aren't reacting with such overbearing defensive force, or better yet, get them to hotdrop you repeatedly. Learn their strategy, and use that to your advantage. Give them many opportunities to hot drop on you, but dont give them any kills. Stay out of scram range of the bait, or energy neut it down. If the cavalry shows up over and over and never gets any kills from you, 1 of 2 things will happen, the cavalry will stop showing up to drop on you, or the alliance will stop bothering you. In either situation, once you show them enough that their blob tactics aren't going to get them anything, they will stop using them.
Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-07-10 23:05:40 UTC


how to dealing with bigger entities ? You dont you bow down and pay us
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#69 - 2014-07-10 23:07:16 UTC
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:


how to dealing with bigger entities ? You dont you bow down and pay us


This alliance is currently not claiming any systems.

Snerk

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-07-10 23:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Giuseppe R Raimondo
Flav Mine wrote:
mineer,

my advise all i can give is you cant win a war against such numbers without gaining numbers yourself, EE/SYJ as they are in bed together make its anestimated 800+ man alliance to deal with.
i know us being a 70 man corp has managed to hold for 3 weeks now under massive pressure from their turncoat tactic to stay loyal to SYJ, but in saying that it proves no negotiation can ever be trusted with these people.
we fought for them, we stuck loyal to the cause, we made sure we were self sustained (no SRP here mate), we stood to protect their assets and SYJ's in aridia while EE turned their back on em for gate camps in ami.

all was lost and EE dumped us so SYJ could regain some kind of income as they had gotten so fat and lazy they lost theirs to another. even shamed by the newly formed BFS alliance who now holds half of their assets.

end result is we were branded spies, called dogs and dropped with no warning (brings a question: if we were spies why are we standing alone right now in our fight against them)

as far as fight just do what you do keep moving if they cant blob you or call PL as they scream in local everyday to us they just wont fight. we've held genisis for 3 weeks now lost 1 moon so far that 70 men vs 800+ worst part is even with these odds they are still calling for help. reinforced 3 towers lastnight all we got was an syj guy hop in system at the end and state "we calling PL on you" like we gonna wait round or something.

we have lived in gensis for 3 yrs and we are still here. ASSENTION gone, UA gone unpro is gone, WTFM8, gone only time will rid get of them they are destined to implode or screw the wrong person as they always do. PL will wake up a realise babysitting these fools will ruin their reputation aswell. also crying to N# and shooting other N# members is that even a tactic or just plain ignorance.

wait till the dust settles TIGERS will still be there and so will TAAG whether we own assets or not it just makes for more content, and EE/SJY are good for it.



lol just saw your post. But ... it has been 10 days since you were kicked. We started rf your **** 3 days ago. and you lost 2 moons. And most of the people you described that left the area were kicked by us.


Quote:
(brings a question: if we were spies why are we standing alone right now in our fight against them)


well once you are not able to spy for the boss anymore you become useless to them



And wall of text must be mad



Quote:

This alliance is currently not claiming any systems.

Snerk


still w8 for ccp to let me put sov in lowsec
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-07-10 23:15:47 UTC
Crazy Mineer wrote:
is that what you said to tactical agression? :)


Yes.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2014-07-10 23:19:50 UTC
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:
still w8 for ccp to let me put sov in lowsec


No. Bad Guiseppe.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2014-07-10 23:20:37 UTC
Lazy Eagle wrote:
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:
still w8 for ccp to let me put sov in lowsec


No. Bad Guiseppe.


Nyx tackled!

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-07-10 23:27:33 UTC
still trying to find killmails of us dropping supers on a t3 gang
Bhaelhalel
Bite Down on This
#75 - 2014-07-11 00:56:44 UTC
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:


lol just saw your post. But ... it has been 10 days since you were kicked. We started rf your **** 3 days ago. and you lost 2 moons. And most of the people you described that left the area were kicked by us.


Quote:
(brings a question: if we were spies why are we standing alone right now in our fight against them)


well once you are not able to spy for the boss anymore you become useless to them



And wall of text must be mad



Quote:

This alliance is currently not claiming any systems.

Snerk


still w8 for ccp to let me put sov in lowsec



"well once you are not able to spy for the boss anymore you become useless to them"

Seriously.. Boss.. Who is that exactly?
Let's air this dirty laundry shall we? xD

Your propaganda stinks so bad even the North Korean's wouldn't buy it which begs the question "Do you actually believe the crap being shoved down your throat or are you just trying to save face?".
Your alliance was just SYJ's lapdog and instead of appreciating the fact that we stood for you over anyone else even when offers were made to us and when Aridia was being overrun and we were the last there, then one day while we had joint fleets on field you just drop us and call us spies so that SYJ could fall back, lick their wounds, and gain another income, our income... When you lost your SRP... TAAG had our own moons, our own income.. We were even going to give you a share to keep the alliance right.. And we were the last to try and hold Aridia with our own resources and with out EE support. If that makes us all spies then so be it I guess...

"The people you kicked", were kicked because they knew your leadership was out of line and refused to turn on a long time and trusted ally all because SYJ (or maybe EE) thought it would be a good idea to back stab a loyal corp.
Call spy all you want.. Those that know us know it's all a lie.
Your alliance leadership are untrustworthy and subversive... Ask them why your ex Leadership really left.. Here's a hint.. It wasn't voluntary.
Remove the head and the snake dies.. Return to what you should be and not the mess your self proclaimed leaders currently have you at and get out from under SYJ.
WALL!TwistedArrowPirateArrowShocked
Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-07-11 01:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Giuseppe R Raimondo
Bhaelhalel wrote:
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:


lol just saw your post. But ... it has been 10 days since you were kicked. We started rf your **** 3 days ago. and you lost 2 moons. And most of the people you described that left the area were kicked by us.


Quote:
(brings a question: if we were spies why are we standing alone right now in our fight against them)


well once you are not able to spy for the boss anymore you become useless to them



And wall of text must be mad



Quote:

This alliance is currently not claiming any systems.

Snerk


still w8 for ccp to let me put sov in lowsec



"well once you are not able to spy for the boss anymore you become useless to them"

Seriously.. Boss.. Who is that exactly?
Let's air this dirty laundry shall we? xD

Your propaganda stinks so bad even the North Korean's wouldn't buy it which begs the question "Do you actually believe the crap being shoved down your throat or are you just trying to save face?".
Your alliance was just SYJ's lapdog and instead of appreciating the fact that we stood for you over anyone else even when offers were made to us and when Aridia was being overrun and we were the last there, then one day while we had joint fleets on field you just drop us and call us spies so that SYJ could fall back, lick their wounds, and gain another income, our income... When you lost your SRP... TAAG had our own moons, our own income.. We were even going to give you a share to keep the alliance right.. And we were the last to try and hold Aridia with our own resources and with out EE support. If that makes us all spies then so be it I guess...

"The people you kicked", were kicked because they knew your leadership was out of line and refused to turn on a long time and trusted ally all because SYJ (or maybe EE) thought it would be a good idea to back stab a loyal corp.
Call spy all you want.. Those that know us know it's all a lie.
Your alliance leadership are untrustworthy and subversive... Ask them why your ex Leadership really left.. Here's a hint.. It wasn't voluntary.
Remove the head and the snake dies.. Return to what you should be and not the mess your self proclaimed leaders currently have you at and get out from under SYJ.
WALL!TwistedArrowPirateArrowShocked


dont want to hijack the threat here , but what ever its already to late.
Dude i could care less why you guys got kicked or why the old leader left, our activities have yet to change, they could tell me because you are all jove spys and i wouldn't really care.
And you guys the last to try to hold aridia? you guys barely were there, something special was going on when there was more then 2 of you in local. And last i remember your last stand was blops on them twice from home get 1 kill and called it op success, never heard of you again
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#77 - 2014-07-11 02:06:14 UTC
If you go up against a bigger organisation you're going to get your arse kicked, don't see why you would expect anything else.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2014-07-11 02:16:08 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Your uncle has serious fat-guilt, which explains his completely irrational response. It is likely eating him up inside, knowing what an unhealthy hambeast he is becoming, and so your comment provides him an opportunity to lash out at someone else for his problem, to lay the blame on you and others, as if you made him that way. Now, he either feels guilt, realizing that he completely overreacted at your comments, or he has further villainized you in his mind.

A much bigger entity huh...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-07-11 03:31:39 UTC
Crazy Mineer wrote:
So how does a smaller alliance deal bigger entities like EE and SYJ, for instance when we roam in small gang they 100% bridge a fleet and caps on us, and infact yesterday they were kind enough to drop 3 supers on our tier3 gang I'm wondering how could a smaller entity take on bigger cap entities without bat phoning and without sufficient caps ourselves some sort of guerrilla warfare? Pirate


Recruit more peeps?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#80 - 2014-07-11 03:38:21 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Crazy Mineer wrote:
So how does a smaller alliance deal bigger entities like EE and SYJ, for instance when we roam in small gang they 100% bridge a fleet and caps on us, and infact yesterday they were kind enough to drop 3 supers on our tier3 gang I'm wondering how could a smaller entity take on bigger cap entities without bat phoning and without sufficient caps ourselves some sort of guerrilla warfare? Pirate

Recruit more peeps?

That counts as "sufficient caps"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?