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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#41 - 2014-07-02 08:22:18 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Crazy Mineer wrote:
Yeah pass on renting we will become the Taliban of genesis exept without the religion


You can't have Genesis without;

1) Religion

OR

2) Peter Gabriel

well played, lol
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-07-02 10:44:46 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Drop siphons on all of their good moons & pur AFK cloakers in the systems of their renters. You can't straight up fight them, but you can affect their income streams.


Anti-nullbear tactics don't work in lowsec.


Are you telling me there are no moons available for mining in lowsec?


No, I'm telling you that up here we don't dock up when a neut enters local. We kill him. And his friends. And any structures him and his affiliates might happen to own.

Such is a life of piracy.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2014-07-02 10:53:27 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Drop siphons on all of their good moons & pur AFK cloakers in the systems of their renters. You can't straight up fight them, but you can affect their income streams.

Anti-nullbear tactics don't work in lowsec.

Are you telling me there are no moons available for mining in lowsec?

No, I'm telling you that up here we don't dock up when a neut enters local. We kill him. And his friends. And any structures him and his affiliates might happen to own.

Such is a life of piracy.

Any structures their affiliates own?

Well, you've got a big blue donut of structures to start on, get to it. Load POSshot ammo.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-07-02 13:15:53 UTC
It has been said already, you must burn our tents! Pirate
Crazy Mineer
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Dead Pixels Inc
#45 - 2014-07-02 15:27:56 UTC
sounds good and so pretty much act like goons did vs BoB? :D and to the EE guy saying bring in some strong diplomacy, why would we want to be blue when theres barely any targets in genesis as is to me it seems like a blue ball and there would be no fun at all, problem is your german corp is really good and look for the good fights but the rest of your alliance just drop when a fart occurs in local :)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-07-02 16:12:07 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Drop siphons on all of their good moons & pur AFK cloakers in the systems of their renters. You can't straight up fight them, but you can affect their income streams.


Anti-nullbear tactics don't work in lowsec.


Are you telling me there are no moons available for mining in lowsec?


No, I'm telling you that up here we don't dock up when a neut enters local. We kill him. And his friends. And any structures him and his affiliates might happen to own.

Such is a life of piracy.

also we're never really restricted to where we pve, and afk cloakers matter more to anom runners than complex runners. not many bother with anoms in low. if there's someone cloaked in space they're not much of a threat, and if they are we can just fly somewhere else. a renter can't do that
Elusive Panda
Public Enemies CO
The Initiative.
#47 - 2014-07-02 16:43:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elusive Panda
Depends what you intend by "fighting them".

If you're talking about skirmish, the good fight and just pew pewing stuff. You will want kitey, fast ship that can easily disengage, so if they bring the blob, you can pick off stragglers/tacklers, when they drop, you're gone.

If you're talking about really fighting them for strategic objective, like POCOs, POSes or even their space, then you need to be the most annoying piece of **** you can think of. Break their spirit. You do that by RFing stuff and blueballing the timer, again ... again ... again .. and again.

After 2 months (I'm being overly generous) of showing up in a super fleet to defend a POCO or to restront that POS, they'll come in BS, then cruisers, then only logis, then they'll just send their pets (if any) then they'll stop showing up at all. Morale and fleet up time is a resource that you can deplete.


Roam their income generating space and deny it as best as you can, gank them if you can or just disrupt whatever they're doing at the time. BUT NEVER give them a "good fight". Good fights are entertaining and fun. Being interrupted halfway in a DED site day after day is tiresome. Even if you don't secure the kill, having him leave the site unfinished and incapable to complete it due to your presence is victory.


Good luck in your endeavors.
Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-07-02 17:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lazy Eagle
Crazy Mineer wrote:
sounds good and so pretty much act like goons did vs BoB? :D and to the EE guy saying bring in some strong diplomacy, why would we want to be blue when theres barely any targets in genesis as is to me it seems like a blue ball and there would be no fun at all, problem is your german corp is really good and look for the good fights but the rest of your alliance just drop when a fart occurs in local :)


Ok bro. Three supers should be like candy to any group in low with a couple hictors.... I was simply telling you that if you can't even deal with those three, and you obviously did not watch list our supers before engaging, how well do you honestly think you can fight a "guerrilla" war ? Do you already have a list of our neutral alts? Do you already have our towers bookmarked and scanned? You need to do all of this to hurt us.

You still couldn't possibly do as much harm as we inflict on ourselves daily...... True story.

As to dropping all the things on a local fart; we are Easily Excited. .... The name should give it away.

Or burn our tents and steal our rice.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-07-02 22:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
Here's what Sun Tzu had to say about fighting outnumbered, in a nutshell:

"Don't."

Here's what Clausewitz had to say about fighting outnumbered, in a nutshell:

"Please don't."

Jomini?

"I might be French but I'm not THAT drunk."

Why were Napoleonic tactics so successful? Two hunnet thousan' man armies against smaller forces.

In conclusion? Wardec highsec mining corps instead.

Addendum:
You can be successful fighting outnumbered if you have access to shock and force multipliers. In 18/19th century terms, this would amount to cavalry and cannon batteries with canister shot. In EVE, this amounts to dropping shite on the enemy they didn't expect and falcons. For example, you could bait them, wait for them to drop the supercarriers, then call in PL or some other supercap-busting entity. And the falcons would probably help with smaller fry; combine them with taloses and rapiers for some hilarious fun. The new mobile cyno jammers are also incredibly useful for making supercap pilots regret their actions.

Dodixie > Hek
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-07-02 22:55:45 UTC
Just because it's lowsec doesn't mean someone can't control the space. Hey can't own it but they can still control it, people are almost always willing to accept income for allowing others to fly about and maybe be pew buddies. Although if they are Russian I couldn't tell you because all that I know I've met didn't act so nicely.

My only experiance with Russians is "kill it, just because kill it to kill it because. Kill it...... Just kill it , and with fire". The other experiance is they don't like to lose even a single isk, you kill or destroy a single peice of anything and they've already lost. Is why they stay docked if they aren't killing you in some bad sportsmanship kind of way.

They will insult you, then tell you they weren't talking to you just to call you self centered and insult you some more.



Sorry, pent up stuff I had to get out.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#51 - 2014-07-03 00:12:00 UTC
Dear Fellow Eve Players,

PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP against larger entities or not.

Pros:
+ Easier for new players to get acclimated
+ Industry can move freely
+ Less grief for those who don't want to PVP

I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.

Please discuss.

Zah Damaja
Chief of Highsec Mining Operations
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Southeast Division

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2014-07-03 00:24:56 UTC
Elusive Panda wrote:
Break their spirit. You do that by RFing stuff and blueballing the timer, again ... again ... again .. and again.

How amusing, it happens you can break people by making them shoot pos while never being able to win the timer, again ... again ... again .. and again.

They usually give up while saying they didn't want that moon anyway.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jlust Orin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-07-03 10:22:07 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:

PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP against larger entities or not.


What? That is a terribad idea. Changing the mechanics like so would ruin EVE.
The question has never been if we want to PvP the bigger fish or if we should but rather how we should go about it. What options the current game mechanics offer.


Alavaria Fera wrote:

How amusing, it happens you can break people by making them shoot pos while never being able to win the timer

Cannot decide if that was sarcastic or not.
Note to self: we just gotta find some blue balls. Gonna go watch Avatar right now, maybe that will provide some inspiration.
Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-07-03 13:07:59 UTC
You put up a few pos towers in toon I see (BHA). See you soon my friend! {Huggles}
Jlust Orin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-07-03 14:49:02 UTC
Lazy Eagle wrote:
You put up a few pos towers in toon I see (BHA). See you soon my friend! {Huggles}


This does not necessarily represent the opinion of my entire corp/alliance:
Ohh this is going to be good! No conflict -> no content! No content -> why the #@$% am I spending this much time playing it?

I just wish I had more than 1 million SP :)
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#56 - 2014-07-03 15:00:08 UTC
in lowsec its quite easy to deal with them.

1) you shoot the bait with kiters
2) wait for the hotdrop (will happen as soon it needs reps)
3) disengage and do something else

edit: don't forget gf in local
edit2: use cost effective ammo

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#57 - 2014-07-03 15:00:46 UTC
get a batphone and bait those supers.

when they cry in local tell them to stop being idiots and bring an engageable gang instead of just blobbing the hell out of a t1 cruiser gang.

super proliferation has ruined a lot of this game as the only counter to them is more supers.

edit: roll around with a HIC in your gang, and they'll be too chicken to drop caps on you probably.
Serene Repose
#58 - 2014-07-03 15:23:50 UTC
Ever hear of an atomic flyswatter?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-07-05 00:06:06 UTC
Lazy Eagle wrote:
You put up a few pos towers in toon I see (BHA). See you soon my friend! {Huggles}


Moon crash!

All ur things belong to EE.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Crazy Mineer
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Dead Pixels Inc
#60 - 2014-07-05 00:11:56 UTC
is that what you said to tactical agression? :)