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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#101 - 2014-06-29 23:25:35 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
I can reveal more to the story all I want, you weren't there.
Doesn't matter. What matters is how (poorly) you present your argument, and that people are responding entirely reasonably to your unsupported assertions. That's why you were berated, not for the reasons you invented.

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Coming to the forums with it, as seen here, is an act of futility, as without absolute logical proof( pretty much a confession), you'll be torn apart by the GD sharks, such as Tippia.
That, and because there's no reason to bring it to the forums to begin with. If you're that sure, petition it.

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Even though you are probably right OP, since your argument is not 100% logically sound from all angles, it must be wrong. Well, because it is.
If you say so, but you're being unreasonably harsh. You're also not being particularly logical about it.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-06-29 23:26:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I tend to rat while orbiting something with my 100mn afterburner running because Ishtar, but once a neutral gets within 2 systems I align & prepare to pull drones. Once you actually land in system I have enough time to let my drones return before hitting warp. Your real issue seems to be with people utilising the power of friend making & somehow this is unfair.

Clearly peoples ability to converse with one another & work together based on common interests needs to be nerfed somehow.


your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning.


Even then your average ratter still has enough time to get out before you arrive, but by all means continue accusing everyone of being a bot because you consistently get outplayed.


not me who is being outplayed. im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to. game does not allow me to do it any faster. maybe i can shave a second or 2 here and there, but it is what it is. with combat probes, you cant do it in less then 15 seconds. maybe a bit quicker with D-scan if you know in advance where to point your ceptor, but there the risk is you land 100km away.

its simply too safe for the ratter. all because of local.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2014-06-29 23:27:14 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:


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not remove local. introduce a delay. 5-10 seconds. 10 probably too much, 5 seconds.
Why? What problem are you trying to solve?

The problem of him not being able to catch anybody watching local, and GTFO when he pops in from a fresh WH. That "problem".

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#104 - 2014-06-29 23:29:06 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.


i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.

you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them.


Statistical analysis would confirm, sample size would be to small.


  • Are there bots in Eve? YES
  • Have you encountered bots. More than likely, yes.
  • Is everyone that gets away from you a bot. NO!


Confirming, you are not a 1337 ***** as you think, and posting a stealth remove local thread.


not remove local. introduce a delay. 5-10 seconds. 10 probably too much, 5 seconds.


Any delay is too much in a world of ceptors.

The problem is that it won't result in what you want. If you make it easier to kill ratters in null sec guess what you get.

That's right, more people flying stealth bombers doing FW missions, longer lines to get into Incursion fleets, more people doing low sec lvl 5s or npc null lvl4s.

So instead of people killing carriers and pirate BSs, they'd be killing SBs in FW space. Or having to try to suicide gank incursion runniners, or actually having to use probes to scan down the folks in those lvl 5s or pirate lvl 4s.

It's like people tried to tell Infinity Ziona everytime she had some dumb self serving idea: What you suggest would make things worse for you, and worse for the game. The better thing for you to do is actaully figure out how to do things correctly rather than asking for CCP to change things 'in your favor' which, again won't end up the way you think it will.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2014-06-29 23:30:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-06-29 23:31:24 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
not me who is being outplayed. im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to. game does not allow me to do it any faster. maybe i can shave a second or 2 here and there, but it is what it is. with combat probes, you cant do it in less then 15 seconds. maybe a bit quicker with D-scan if you know in advance where to point your ceptor, but there the risk is you land 100km away.

its simply too safe for the ratter. all because of local.


If you're not able to catch ratters then you're being outplayed, it's a fairly simple concept. Go & check out how many ratters GSF loses every day then come back & tell me you're not being outplayed.

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#107 - 2014-06-29 23:33:11 UTC
Not sure if morning sickness, or just feeling ill from seeing a wormholer complaining about nullsec. Shocked

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Arcelian
0nus
#108 - 2014-06-29 23:34:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
I can reveal more to the story all I want, you weren't there.
Doesn't matter. What matters is how (poorly) you present your argument, and that people are responding entirely reasonably to your unsupported assertions. That's why you were berated, not for the reasons you invented.

Quote:
Coming to the forums with it, as seen here, is an act of futility, as without absolute logical proof( pretty much a confession), you'll be torn apart by the GD sharks, such as Tippia.
That, and because there's no reason to bring it to the forums to begin with. If you're that sure, petition it.

Quote:
Even though you are probably right OP, since your argument is not 100% logically sound from all angles, it must be wrong. Well, because it is.
If you say so, but you're being unreasonably harsh. You're also not being particularly logical about it.


You are so black and white tippia, it's either 100% wrong or right to you. Just because the actions of a bot COULD be taken as a human, you dismiss them entirely. That goes both ways, you know.

Actually, I did petition it. The player I thought was a bot, that character was sold with a nice "Character Under New Management" banner in their bio. Probably a bot? Yea. Not to you though, because I can't be 100% sure.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#109 - 2014-06-29 23:35:28 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


Exactly, but he THINKS he is. And because he thinks he is, then obviously the problem must be the game, which is why CCP must then handicap the game in his favor.

Many people think that way and thus need that 'mental scapegoat' than can keep them from the uncomfortable prospect that it's them. AFK cloaking, local, gankers, goons, spais, pretty much every other thread in the F&! forum lol, they are all ego saving dodges when people talk about them.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#110 - 2014-06-29 23:35:53 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

not me who is being outplayed..

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

the reality is a human player will not warp instantly to pos. there will be a delay, there will be a mistake, there will be afk, there will be local smack talk, something.


Therefore, LUMINOUS is not human....

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#111 - 2014-06-29 23:36:49 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


Yes I am.

2 seconds to load system.

1 to drop probes.

4 to scan

2 to decide to take or not to take, right click and fleet warp tackle

2 to enter warp

X to traverse the space

2 to decelerate, load grid

2 to get up to speed, lock up target, scram

thats 13 + X.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#112 - 2014-06-29 23:37:55 UTC
Arcelian wrote:

You are so black and white tippia, it's either 100% wrong or right to you.


Are you suggesting some players are only 50% human?

Cyborgs!? IN MY EVE?!!

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#113 - 2014-06-29 23:39:52 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


you want to warp directly to an anom in a ceptor, thats fine, but thats not my method. my post is specificaly about my method - combat probes. your cloud of ceptors is not solo - and when you have 50 ceptors, yes you can afford to spread them out to every anom without care or skill.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#114 - 2014-06-29 23:41:16 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


Yes I am.

2 seconds to load system.

1 to drop probes.

4 to scan

2 to decide to take or not to take, right click and fleet warp tackle

2 to enter warp

X to traverse the space

2 to decelerate, load grid

2 to get up to speed, lock up target, scram

thats 13 + X.


Man, that is soooo much fast than "enter system with 3 guys, 1 guy each warps to a forsaken hub"!!!

And 'fleet warp tackle"? So you are entering system with multiple ships and can't understand why a local spike would make even the most unattentive pilot wake up lol.

If you spent half as much time trying to figure out why you're doing it wrong and you spend defending doing it wrong, you wouldn't be posting, you'd be killing.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#115 - 2014-06-29 23:43:47 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


you want to warp directly to an anom in a ceptor, thats fine, but thats not my method. my post is specificaly about my method - combat probes. your cloud of ceptors is not solo - and when you have 50 ceptors, yes you can afford to spread them out to every anom without care or skill.


You aren't solo either, remember your 'Warp in tackle" point in your own post.

and who need 50, 2 ceptors gives you a 66% chance of catching something because the vast majority of systems that have forsaken hubs have 3 of them (and now sanctums, and maybe 1-2 havens).

Your method is wholly wrong and you lack enough understanding of null sec to even call yourself a hunter.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2014-06-29 23:44:02 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Not sure if morning sickness, or just feeling ill from seeing a wormholer complaining about nullsec. Shocked

STAHP.


¿Por qué no podemos tener tanto?

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#117 - 2014-06-29 23:46:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


you want to warp directly to an anom in a ceptor, thats fine, but thats not my method. my post is specificaly about my method - combat probes. your cloud of ceptors is not solo - and when you have 50 ceptors, yes you can afford to spread them out to every anom without care or skill.


You aren't solo either, remember your 'Warp in tackle" point in your own post.

and who need 50, 2 ceptors gives you a 66% chance of catching something because the vast majority of systems that have forsaken hubs have 3 of them (and now sanctums, and maybe 1-2 havens).

Your method is wholly wrong and you lack enough understanding of null sec to even call yourself a hunter.


spoken like a true alt with 1 kill.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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Caldari State
#118 - 2014-06-29 23:47:11 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


Yes I am.

2 seconds to load system.

1 to drop probes.

4 to scan

2 to decide to take or not to take, right click and fleet warp tackle

2 to enter warp

X to traverse the space

2 to decelerate, load grid

2 to get up to speed, lock up target, scram

thats 13 + X.


Man, that is soooo much fast than "enter system with 3 guys, 1 guy each warps to a forsaken hub"!!!

And 'fleet warp tackle"? So you are entering system with multiple ships and can't understand why a local spike would make even the most unattentive pilot wake up lol.

If you spent half as much time trying to figure out why you're doing it wrong and you spend defending doing it wrong, you wouldn't be posting, you'd be killing.


Your 1 kill speaks volumes of experience.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#119 - 2014-06-29 23:49:18 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia,

I think Tippia has a lovely olive complexion. Oops

Arcelian wrote:
That goes both ways, you know.

Hmm. Stop it.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you want to warp directly to an anom in a ceptor, thats fine, but thats not my method. my post is specificaly about my method - combat probes.

Well there's your problem right there.

Even without combat probes you'll be fighting up-hill to warp to a site of anykind before your prey runs. A bit of luck, a little skill and hope that your prey isn't paying attention to local. But with combat probes .... What? The odds are seriously stacked against you getting the jump on anything but an afk pilot lol

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#120 - 2014-06-29 23:54:10 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia,

I think Tippia has a lovely olive complexion. Oops

Arcelian wrote:
That goes both ways, you know.

Hmm. Stop it.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you want to warp directly to an anom in a ceptor, thats fine, but thats not my method. my post is specificaly about my method - combat probes.

Well there's your problem right there.

Even without combat probes you'll be fighting up-hill to warp to a site of anykind before your prey runs. A bit of luck, a little skill and hope that your prey isn't paying attention to local. But with combat probes .... What? The odds are seriously stacked against you getting the jump on anything but an afk pilot lol


waht ratters do these days is burn away from warp-ins, so warping to zero into an anom is almost pointless. combat probes get you location directly, without disappointment of seeing that ishtar actually 200km away.