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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#81 - 2014-06-29 23:02:08 UTC
I should point out that I have reported this thread for closure, since the OP is clearly not interested in actually discussing this, just in personally attacking and/or blocking anyone who doesn't immediately agree with his wild, ludicrous premise.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#82 - 2014-06-29 23:02:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
keep trying to troll. you i will keep unblocked for lols while im watching this match.
I don't have to try anything. Every time you post, you prove that I'm right since you can't offer any kind of actual argumentation, reasoning, facts, or any other support for your long-since invalidated point — all you have is heaps of fallacies.

You proving me right beyond any doubt does not constitute me trolling. Quite the opposite.
Arcelian
0nus
#83 - 2014-06-29 23:03:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
You sure use the strawman term a lot.
That's because people sure use them as substitutes for proper arguments a lot.

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I provided evidence of botting, or at the very least brain damage of the players piloting those hulks. It doesn't matter how many tries it takes, the evidence is there.
It matters when your first couple of attempts just makes you seem unintelligent, and it matters even more when you get annoyed that people — entirely correctly — point this out to you and you try to turn their reaction to your lack of evidence into the strawman that people say that there aren't any bots. They're not — they're just saying that your “evidence” does not support your claim.

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They are designed to look like humans, some better than others.
…but when you first point to their lack of response as evidence that they're bots and then point to the fact that they respond as evidence that they're bots, you're just being stupid and self-contradictory, and are rightfully called out for it. This has nothing to do with bot design, but with your refusal to accept that your reasoning is nonsensical.

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And yes, you are data.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.


If my first tries make me seem unintelligent, that's not logical , that's what you think. Entirely up to interpretation. You are a sophist indeed. Because that's what I think.

If someone responds several hours after I blow up their ship, their pod sitting in space for hours afterwards, because I just broke their macro programming, it does not in any way mean they weren't botting. Context is key, which I admit I sometimes lack in forum posts. You assume too much, Data.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-06-29 23:03:39 UTC
I tend to rat while orbiting something with my 100mn afterburner running because Ishtar, but once a neutral gets within 2 systems I align & prepare to pull drones. Once you actually land in system I have enough time to let my drones return before hitting warp. Your real issue seems to be with people utilising the power of friend making & somehow this is unfair.

Clearly peoples ability to converse with one another & work together based on common interests needs to be nerfed somehow.

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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Caldari State
#85 - 2014-06-29 23:07:41 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
100s of attempted ganks
I'll try DJ's razor thing myself.

Option 1: 100s of players are actually bots

Option 2: one player is terribad at ganking


you spend your time in low-sec, botting is not as prevalent around your part of the woods.

the reality is a human player will not warp instantly to pos. there will be a delay, there will be a mistake, there will be afk, there will be local smack talk, something.

but when you enter local a ship warps IMMEDIATELY - then sits in a pos for exactly 10 or 15 minutes then logs off with nothing to indicate its a human player - thats botting.

take a day trip to isolated pockets in deep null with 7-10k of rat kills in last 24 hours, you will see what I mean.

Dont bash what you know little about. Some ratters are smart humans, sure, but a lot are bots.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2014-06-29 23:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Arcelian wrote:
If my first tries make me seem unintelligent, that's not logical , that's what you think.
No, it is the reason why people are berating you: because you throw out accusation that you very obviously haven't through through properly.

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If someone responds several hours after I blow up their ship, their pod sitting in space for hours afterwards, because I just broke their macro programming, it does not in any way mean they weren't botting.
…nor does it say that they were. That's the whole point: you keep attributing behaviour to botting that is just as easily explained by sheer inattentiveness, and you keep altering the story.

People weren't berating you for whatever inane strawman reason you invented; they were berating you because the evidence you offered did not particularly support your assertions. It's really as simple as that.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-06-29 23:09:34 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I tend to rat while orbiting something with my 100mn afterburner running because Ishtar, but once a neutral gets within 2 systems I align & prepare to pull drones. Once you actually land in system I have enough time to let my drones return before hitting warp. Your real issue seems to be with people utilising the power of friend making & somehow this is unfair.

Clearly peoples ability to converse with one another & work together based on common interests needs to be nerfed somehow.


your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-06-29 23:10:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
If my first tries make me seem unintelligent, that's not logical , that's what you think.
No, it is the reason why people are berating you: because you throw out accusation that you very obviously haven't through through properly.

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If someone responds several hours after I blow up their ship, their pod sitting in space for hours afterwards, because I just broke their macro programming, it does not in any way mean they weren't botting.
…nor does it say that they were. That's the whole point: you keep attributing behaviour to botting that is just as easily explained by sheer inattentiveness, and you keep altering the story.

People weren't berating you for whatever inane strawman reason you invented; they were berating you because the evidence you offered did not particularly support your assertions. It's really as simple as that.


screw it, welcome to my block list.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#89 - 2014-06-29 23:10:47 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning.


Your real issue seems to be that you don't realize that DROPPING PROBES ON FREAKING SHORT SCAN gives them all the warning they would ever need.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-06-29 23:12:33 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.


i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.

you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them.


Statistical analysis would confirm, sample size would be to small.


  • Are there bots in Eve? YES
  • Have you encountered bots. More than likely, yes.
  • Is everyone that gets away from you a bot. NO!


Confirming, you are not a 1337 H4X0R as you think, and posting a stealth remove local thread.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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Caldari State
#91 - 2014-06-29 23:14:52 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.


i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.

you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them.


Statistical analysis would confirm, sample size would be to small.


  • Are there bots in Eve? YES
  • Have you encountered bots. More than likely, yes.
  • Is everyone that gets away from you a bot. NO!


Confirming, you are not a 1337 ***** as you think, and posting a stealth remove local thread.


not remove local. introduce a delay. 5-10 seconds. 10 probably too much, 5 seconds.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2014-06-29 23:15:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
the reality is a human player will not warp instantly to pos. there will be a delay, there will be a mistake, there will be afk, there will be local smack talk, something.
No, the reality is that a human player will do all of those, often without delays or mistakes, and without giving you any reasons to stick around. Oh, and: are you getting your hits in the belts and anomalies? Then that's your mistakes and delays right there — they very obviously aren't warping instantly.

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but when you enter local a ship warps IMMEDIATELY - then sits in a pos for exactly 10 or 15 minutes then logs off with nothing to indicate its a human player - thats botting.
No, it's just jumping to conclusions with little to nothing to support it. In fact, if anything, their logging off suggests a human more than anything, since unlike a bot, they can't be arsed to sit around forever and wait for you to leave — only for long enough to have their timers run out and safely log off.

Botting is when you use automated tools to do stuff in the game, which is something vastly different than just playing intelligently.

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not remove local. introduce a delay. 5-10 seconds. 10 probably too much, 5 seconds.
Why? What problem are you trying to solve?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-06-29 23:16:07 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
100s of attempted ganks
I'll try DJ's razor thing myself.

Option 1: 100s of players are actually bots

Option 2: one player is terribad at ganking


you spend your time in low-sec, botting is not as prevalent around your part of the woods.

the reality is a human player will not warp instantly to pos. there will be a delay, there will be a mistake, there will be afk, there will be local smack talk, something.

but when you enter local a ship warps IMMEDIATELY - then sits in a pos for exactly 10 or 15 minutes then logs off with nothing to indicate its a human player - thats botting.

take a day trip to isolated pockets in deep null with 7-10k of rat kills in last 24 hours, you will see what I mean.

Dont bash what you know little about. Some ratters are smart humans, sure, but a lot are bots.
LOL you're right I know nothing of null, your '100s of attempted ganks' post was just low-hanging fruit. Lol

I think I did 'meet' a bot at least once in low, but I guess it was poorly programmed. Here's what happened:

- I blow up a ship in a FW complex

- Pod instawarps out

- I leave the complex

- Pod warps back to the complex and attempts to take the acceleration gate (ROFL)

- Pod pops, too Lol

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Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2014-06-29 23:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:


your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning.

Your real issue is that you think that you haven't given plenty of warning, and are flabbergasted that people actually can warp out with the amount of time you give them.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Dani Dusette
Division 13
#95 - 2014-06-29 23:17:06 UTC
There's an art to catching these folks, bots or no bots.

One of the best crowds at it is Hard Knocks imo, with their interceptor swarms.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
screw it, welcome to my block list.

Tippia's point is fair enough. *shrug*

Tippia's a quality poster and you're gonna be missing out. P Just because she consistantly disagrees with you in this thread is hardly reason to block someone. This is GD and you're gonna have a sore finger from clicking block with that attitude! Lol

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-06-29 23:18:15 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I tend to rat while orbiting something with my 100mn afterburner running because Ishtar, but once a neutral gets within 2 systems I align & prepare to pull drones. Once you actually land in system I have enough time to let my drones return before hitting warp. Your real issue seems to be with people utilising the power of friend making & somehow this is unfair.

Clearly peoples ability to converse with one another & work together based on common interests needs to be nerfed somehow.


your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning.


Even then your average ratter still has enough time to get out before you arrive, but by all means continue accusing everyone of being a bot because you consistently get outplayed.

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Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2014-06-29 23:19:00 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
100s of attempted ganks
I'll try DJ's razor thing myself.

Option 1: 100s of players are actually bots

Option 2: one player is terribad at ganking


you spend your time in low-sec, botting is not as prevalent around your part of the woods.

the reality is a human player will not warp instantly to pos. there will be a delay, there will be a mistake, there will be afk, there will be local smack talk, something.

but when you enter local a ship warps IMMEDIATELY - then sits in a pos for exactly 10 or 15 minutes then logs off with nothing to indicate its a human player - thats botting.

take a day trip to isolated pockets in deep null with 7-10k of rat kills in last 24 hours, you will see what I mean.

Dont bash what you know little about. Some ratters are smart humans, sure, but a lot are bots.


What mistake? Right click, pos bm, warp to 0. Not that hard to screw up.
Arcelian
0nus
#98 - 2014-06-29 23:20:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
If my first tries make me seem unintelligent, that's not logical , that's what you think.
No, it is the reason why people are berating you: because you throw out accusation that you very obviously haven't through through properly.

Quote:
If someone responds several hours after I blow up their ship, their pod sitting in space for hours afterwards, because I just broke their macro programming, it does not in any way mean they weren't botting.
…nor does it say that they were. That's the whole point: you keep attributing behaviour to botting that is just as easily explained by sheer inattentiveness, and you keep altering the story.

People weren't berating you for whatever inane strawman reason you invented; they were berating you because the evidence you offered did not particularly support your assertions. It's really as simple as that.


I can reveal more to the story all I want, you weren't there.

As I said before (which you conveniently ignored), it's very hard to prove one way or another whether someone is botting or not. One can generally get a good idea if they are or not, especially in high sec. It's very easy to take the position of, "you can't know for sure". Because you never really can.

Coming to the forums with it, as seen here, is an act of futility, as without absolute logical proof( pretty much a confession), you'll be torn apart by the GD sharks, such as Tippia.

Even though you are probably right OP, since your argument is not 100% logically sound from all angles, it must be wrong. Well, because it is.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#99 - 2014-06-29 23:20:48 UTC
Improved cloak in utility slot

Sorted

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-06-29 23:22:47 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
100s of attempted ganks
I'll try DJ's razor thing myself.

Option 1: 100s of players are actually bots

Option 2: one player is terribad at ganking


you spend your time in low-sec, botting is not as prevalent around your part of the woods.

the reality is a human player will not warp instantly to pos. there will be a delay, there will be a mistake, there will be afk, there will be local smack talk, something.

but when you enter local a ship warps IMMEDIATELY - then sits in a pos for exactly 10 or 15 minutes then logs off with nothing to indicate its a human player - thats botting.

take a day trip to isolated pockets in deep null with 7-10k of rat kills in last 24 hours, you will see what I mean.

Dont bash what you know little about. Some ratters are smart humans, sure, but a lot are bots.
LOL you're right I know nothing of null, your '100s of attempted ganks' post was just low-hanging fruit. Lol

I think I did 'meet' a bot at least once in low, but I guess it was poorly programmed. Here's what happened:

- I blow up a ship in a FW complex

- Pod instawarps out

- I leave the complex

- Pod warps back to the complex and attempts to take the acceleration gate (ROFL)

- Pod pops, too Lol


i didint;t know they do it in FW. makes sense i guess..