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sick and tired of null bots

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Arcelian
0nus
#61 - 2014-06-29 22:14:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
Whether the OP's ego is to be included in the equation or not, there are a LOT of bots, there is a LOT of botting software out there, it's easy to find.

Indeed there are. Especially in Lonetrek. Blink

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I understand that his premise is weak at best, but I'd be willing to believe that at least some of the folks he is encountering are in fact, bots.
Possibly, but that's more a conclusion from statistical probability than from anything the OP has actually said.

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No basis or logic? Did you read the thread I posted?
Yes, and like the OP, you started out trying to rely on behaviour that didn't particularly have anything to do with bots. It took you several attempts before you could come up with any kind of bot-like behaviour at all.


Bot-like behavior is debatable, and completely open to interpretation. It depends on the software, and ones own personal judgement. You may have not seen anything, I surely did.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-06-29 22:15:30 UTC
And again we see why Wormholes are some of the best content ever added to EVE.

Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2014-06-29 22:18:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Arcelian wrote:
I'm starting to think you are an android Tippia.

Data, is that you?

So you agree, then, that the reason the like of you and the OP get berated is because of your lack of evidence or logic rather than because of any of the nonsensical strawman reasons you used, since all you have as a comeback is a particularly silly ad hominem. Goodie.

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Bot-like behavior is debatable, and completely open to interpretation.
Not really, no.
You managed to reference one thing that shows that it's a bot rather than a human, and that is not really a matter of debate or interpretation but of the difference between software and people. Again, the reason you were berated was because you started with baseless accusations, and it took you a long while before you offered anything else.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#64 - 2014-06-29 22:22:08 UTC
Hey OP, come to Deklein.

I can say with absolute certainty that we have the laziest, most inattentive ratters in the game, and they like to bling fit and even do so in carriers. If you can't catch them, the problem is you.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Arcelian
0nus
#65 - 2014-06-29 22:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcelian
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
I'm starting to think you are an android Tippia.

Data, is that you?

So you agree, then, that the reason the like of you and the OP get berated is because of your lack of evidence or logic rather than because of any of the nonsensical strawman reasons you used, since all you have as a comeback is a particularly silly ad hominem. Goodie.


You sure use the strawman term a lot. I provided evidence of botting, or at the very least brain damage of the players piloting those hulks. It doesn't matter how many tries it takes, the evidence is there. I suppose it's very difficult to say with absolute certainty whether someone is botting or not. They are designed to look like humans, some better than others.

Which all you've done this entire thread is point that fact out. Goodie.

And yes, you are data.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-06-29 22:27:34 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Hey OP, come to Deklein.

I can say with absolute certainty that we have the laziest, most inattentive ratters in the game, and they like to bling fit and even do so in carriers. If you can't catch them, the problem is you.


Confirmed.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39661390/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38659958/

Havent had a good exit to deklein for a few days now, but yeah, farming goons is a lot of fun.

Your lot POSes up faster then most bots too. One thing is for sure tho, your home defence fleet is quite good. Never linger in deklein pipe systems or get blobbed by 50 frigates
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#67 - 2014-06-29 22:47:32 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
You sure use the strawman term a lot.
That's because people sure use them as substitutes for proper arguments a lot.

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I provided evidence of botting, or at the very least brain damage of the players piloting those hulks. It doesn't matter how many tries it takes, the evidence is there.
It matters when your first couple of attempts just makes you seem unintelligent, and it matters even more when you get annoyed that people — entirely correctly — point this out to you and you try to turn their reaction to your lack of evidence into the strawman that people say that there aren't any bots. They're not — they're just saying that your “evidence” does not support your claim.

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They are designed to look like humans, some better than others.
…but when you first point to their lack of response as evidence that they're bots and then point to the fact that they respond as evidence that they're bots, you're just being stupid and self-contradictory, and are rightfully called out for it. This has nothing to do with bot design, but with your refusal to accept that your reasoning is nonsensical.

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And yes, you are data.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#68 - 2014-06-29 22:49:55 UTC
Arcelian wrote:


And yes, you are data.


I think you mean Data.

Though Tippia provides data, she isnt ACTUALLY made of a set of values of qualitative or quantitative variables.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-06-29 22:50:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
words


you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.

have you actually, you know, tried any of the fine things offered by this game?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2014-06-29 22:53:52 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2014-06-29 22:54:47 UTC
note how known awoxers, scammers, an other non-pvp'ers flock to the defense of bottling whenever its brought up.

they try to

a) discredit
b) troll
c) like tippia, nitpick others apart.

meanwhile none of them actually have combat experience to speak of.

now why is that the most unqualified segment of the eve population makes the loudest noise?
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#72 - 2014-06-29 22:55:42 UTC
I'd just apply the good old razor:

"Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."

Option 1: Many people that the OP encounters are paying attention and warp to the safety of a POS when a neutral suddenly shows up in local.

Option 2: Almost every single player that the OP encounters are actually botting, despite engaging in behavior that most characters manned by human beings would do.

Option 1 assumes that most players in null enjoy keeping their ships.

Option 2 assumes a hell of a lot more :)

Just my two cents on the issue, inb4 OP flames me for not being nearly as elite as him :)
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-06-29 22:55:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.


i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.

you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#74 - 2014-06-29 22:56:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:


now why is that the most unqualified segment of the eve population makes the loudest noise?


No one knows why you do it

But your boring repetitive troll-threads suck, if that's any help

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#75 - 2014-06-29 22:57:42 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

now why is that the most unqualified segment of the eve population makes the loudest noise?


You tell me. You bleat and cry louder than anyone who has posted in this thread so far.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-06-29 22:58:34 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
I'd just apply the good old razor:

"Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."

Option 1: Many people that the OP encounters are paying attention and warp to the safety of a POS when a neutral suddenly shows up in local.

Option 2: Almost every single player that the OP encounters are actually botting, despite engaging in behavior that most characters manned by human beings would do.

Option 1 assumes that most players in null enjoy keeping their ships.

Option 2 assumes a hell of a lot more :)

Just my two cents on the issue, inb4 OP flames me for not being nearly as elite as him :)


high-sec ganker. welcome to my block list.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2014-06-29 22:58:47 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
note how known awoxers, scammers, an other non-pvp'ers flock to the defense of bottling whenever its brought up.
No, I can't say that I've ever seen any of them hold anything resembling that position.
Do you have anything to support this claim, or is it (like your OP) just something you invented out of whole cloth?

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i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.
So you agree that I'm right then since you can't offer any kind of actual argumentation and have to rely wholly on fallacies to fill in the gap vast yawning chasm left behind in your desperate attempt to not just come out and admit it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#78 - 2014-06-29 22:59:36 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you sure do talk a lot for someone who sits in jita all day every day scamming.
So you agree that I'm right then, since you have to rely on fallacies rather than actual argumentation.


i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.

you know what they say about arguing with trolls - better to simply stop feeding them.



Idk about Tippia, but I personally would attack you for being dumb enough to use probes. Your entire premise is shattered by how appallingly terrible you are.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-06-29 22:59:51 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
100s of attempted ganks
I'll try DJ's razor thing myself.

Option 1: 100s of players are actually bots

Option 2: one player is terribad at ganking

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-06-29 23:00:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
note how known awoxers, scammers, an other non-pvp'ers flock to the defense of bottling whenever its brought up.
No, I can't say that I've ever seen any of them hold anything resembling that position.
Do you have anything to support this claim, or is it (like your OP) just something you invented out of whole cloth?

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i think even if i posted a fraps recording with 100s of attempted ganks over a period of time, you would attack me for, i dont know, using wrong resolution on my fraps.
So you agree that I'm right then since you can't offer any kind of actual argumentation and have to rely wholly on fallacies to fill in the gap vast yawning chasm left behind in your desperate attempt to not just come out and admit it.


keep trying to troll. you i will keep unblocked for lols while im watching this match.