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sick and tired of null bots

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-06-29 21:32:16 UTC
"I AM SO ANGRY THAT I LOST A KILL ALL LOGICAL AND REASONABLE ARGUMENT TO THE CONTRARY OF MY MISGUIDED BELIEFS IS FALSE. JEWS CAUSED 9/11." - OP, 29/06/2014.

Dodixie > Hek
Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-06-29 21:32:37 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
and this is the problem. hunting as it stands is just heavily-biased towards a ratter. Null is supposed to be risky. Where is the risk when the BEST hunters are seen from 15-20 seconds away?

Just because a risk can be mitigated by paying attention does not mean it doesn't exist. The risk is right there and is as high as ever.



Show me how is it risky to rat in null? What can possibly happen that cannot be avoided by looking at stupid local list. The slum lord can jack up your rent price? Thats about it? You can spill your coffee on your lap as you control 10-20 bots?

Null-sec - neut in local - POS up.

Now compare to wormholes; no local - good fights, fun ganks, every day.


Are you kidding? WH dwellers dock up as soon as a new sig pops on scan.

Also, consider the Darwin effect. You've already hunted the dumb ratters to the point that they either do something else in highsec or quit the game. The rest are smart enough to avoid you.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#43 - 2014-06-29 21:32:45 UTC
Ja'kar wrote:
I don't really understand why ppl are arguing about his probing skills. The point is bots, which I agree I hate bots and would love to see them banned!



The point is that, in the situation described above, there are no bots.

The OP is just godawful at this game and gives people plenty of time to run away because he drops probes on short scan.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#44 - 2014-06-29 21:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Saisin wrote:


I bet you, like the others bashing the OP, are hugely profiting from the current status quo What?



And of course that's a nice cop out. It's how you know someone lost an arguement when they start suspecting movites lol.

This is really a whine about local. I have respect for wormhole people because it's dangerous space, but I've found many of them that don't understand how the game works. They tend to think they are elite because they live in a wormhole with all of it's 'handicaps' that allows them to live there.

So how about this, i'll trade you delayed local in my null space for the ability to light cynos and plant stargates in your wormhole. we'll see how much you like no local then lol.

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As much as I am against afk cloaking, this is for now the best way to catch ratters in null sec.
Unfortunately, this is not really an option for solo PVPers as it ties up their account(s) to pretty much doing nothing much of the day.. Not very fun game play for anybody.
Only The large alliance can afford spare afk cloaking alts.

I wish CCP would trade removing afk cloaking for delayed local and k162 apparitions.



"against" afk cloaking lol., You're against someone being able to hurt someone. AFK cloakers can't do anything.

When someone afk cloaks my system I break out this bad boy and laugh:

[Typhoon, screw U AFKguy]
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Inertia Stabilizers II
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Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
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This is how one thinks we a problem presents itself, unlike the OP who does it wrong then decided he need's CCP's help to fix HIS problem lol.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-06-29 21:37:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ja'kar wrote:
I don't really understand why ppl are arguing about his probing skills. The point is bots, which I agree I hate bots and would love to see them banned!



The point is that, in the situation described above, there are no bots.

The OP is just godawful at this game and gives people plenty of time to run away because he drops probes on short scan.

That's the feeling I am getting. Usually when someone's entire argument is based around a self-appointed status of "I'z teh awesome, no wai iz my fault", I lose a bit of faith in said argument.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#46 - 2014-06-29 21:44:21 UTC
Posting just to say bots are doing it right. Never Not Align.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Arcelian
0nus
#47 - 2014-06-29 21:48:17 UTC
Usually, whether it's mining bots, ratting bots, or what have you, anyone who comes to the forums and says anything about it, is horribly berated.

Like I was, several years ago. An alt of mine

I'm not sure why, but it seems most eve players would like to think their perfect game is free from macros, and all this talk of bots is pure hog wash.

To the OP, I sympathize, but those bots are paying accounts too, therefore, pretty low on CCP's give a **** list.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-06-29 21:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
Arcelian wrote:
Usually, whether it's mining bots, ratting bots, or what have you, anyone who comes to the forums and says anything about it, is horribly berated.

Like I was, several years ago. An alt of mine

I'm not sure why, but it seems most eve players would like to think their perfect game is free from macros, and all this talk of bots is pure hog wash.

To the OP, I sympathize, but those bots are paying accounts too, therefore, pretty low on CCP's give a **** list.

You've shoved the door too far in the other direction. No one is saying that there are no bots, and that they aren't a problem, at least I'm not.

What I am pointing out, is that the entire foundation of this thread is based on two faulty assumptions.
A: the OP is the best WH to null hunter to ever exist.
B: all human nullsec ratters are complete idiots.
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#49 - 2014-06-29 21:52:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

So how about this, i'll trade you delayed local in my null space for the ability to light cynos and plant stargates in your wormhole. we'll see how much you like no local then lol.

I am against local in general and would gladly get rid of it, but I know not to start a fight that can't be won.
Delayed local and k162 is do-able as CCP is already pondering this...
I have no specific problem with cyno or star gates leading to WH (in fact I would even support a deployable that would open a WH) as long as the rules of mass and durations are maintained.

Jenn aSide wrote:

"against" afk cloaking lol., You're against someone being able to hurt someone. AFK cloakers can't do anything.

When someone afk cloaks my system I break out this bad boy and laugh:

[Typhoon, screw U AFKguy]
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Inertia Stabilizers II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Micro Jump Drive
'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Medium Shield Booster II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Curator II x4



Kudos to you for that!
Best luck when the afk cloaked does a serious hotdrops on your fit though...

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voetius
Grundrisse
#50 - 2014-06-29 21:55:25 UTC

While I'm sure there are bots in null sec as anywhere else, if I was ratting in nullsec I would use something like a cruise missile typhoon and be aligned to a bookmark for a POS so that I could GTFO when a neutral comes in to local (sure I could use dscan to see if it was an intie but that probably wouldn't be a smart idea given how slow some ships are to alighn and get into warp).

OTOH, if you are sure they are bots, why not drop a bubble inline to the POS and bookmark it, watchlist the prospective bot, leave system, come back after a break and warp to bookmark to try and catch them. If they are a bot then bot would need to know about mobile warp disruptors, but I dunno if they can do that.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#51 - 2014-06-29 21:56:15 UTC
Saisin wrote:

Kudos to you for that!
Best luck when the afk cloaked does a serious hotdrops on your fit though...


Knowing Jenn, I doubt he would care.

That fit pays for itself surprisingly quickly. He'd have to lose a few of them a day to be in the red.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2014-06-29 21:56:49 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
Usually, whether it's mining bots, ratting bots, or what have you, anyone who comes to the forums and says anything about it, is horribly berated.

Like I was, several years ago. An alt of mine
Yes, just like the OP, you were taking a single characteristic and using it (without any real basis or logic) as “evidence” for the assertion that people are bots.

Quote:
I'm not sure why, but it seems most eve players would like to think their perfect game is free from macros, and all this talk of bots is pure hog wash.
No, it's because the “evidence” provided so very rarely supports the assertion and because of the nonsensical strawman arguments that inevitably follow when this inconvenient fact is pointed out.

Quote:
To the OP, I sympathize, but those bots are paying accounts too, therefore, pretty low on CCP's give a **** list.
…aside from the simple and well-known fact that CCP bans bots by the boatload any chance they get.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-06-29 21:57:17 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
You've shoved the door too far in the other direction. No one is saying that there are no bots, and that they aren't a problem, at least I'm not.

What I am pointing out, is that the entire foundation of this thread is based on two faulty assumptions.
A: the OP is the best WH to null hunter to ever exist.
B: all human nullsec ratters are complete idiots.
Agree. And it's also based on:

C: my way of getting kills is trying to sneak up on people that would rather not fight

Nothing wrong with that, but I personally find it more straightforward to get fights with people that actually want to fight.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#54 - 2014-06-29 22:00:41 UTC
voetius wrote:
If they are a bot then bot would need to know about mobile warp disruptors, but I dunno if they can do that.


They do. It's really useful especially when you're trying to catch a bot that has parked itself in a POS: drop the warp bubble, bot heads the other direction, leaving the POS shield, flying straight into your loving warp scrambling embrace.

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Arcelian
0nus
#55 - 2014-06-29 22:01:21 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
Usually, whether it's mining bots, ratting bots, or what have you, anyone who comes to the forums and says anything about it, is horribly berated.

Like I was, several years ago. An alt of mine

I'm not sure why, but it seems most eve players would like to think their perfect game is free from macros, and all this talk of bots is pure hog wash.

To the OP, I sympathize, but those bots are paying accounts too, therefore, pretty low on CCP's give a **** list.

You've shoved the door too far in the other direction. No one is saying that there are no bots, and that they aren't a problem, at least I'm not.

What I am pointing out, is that the entire foundation of this thread is based on two faulty assumptions.
A: the OP is the best WH to null hunter to ever exist.
B: all human nullsec ratters are complete idiots.


Whether the OP's ego is to be included in the equation or not, there are a LOT of bots, there is a LOT of botting software out there, it's easy to find. I understand that his premise is weak at best, but I'd be willing to believe that at least some of the folks he is encountering are in fact, bots.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#56 - 2014-06-29 22:04:08 UTC
As for OP: nothing you have presented in this thread is even close to evidence of botting.

Your hunting tactic is to announce your presence in local quite loudly, then complain when your targets aren't less cautious than a rock. You need to lay traps. Years of hunting have lead to all the prey getting wiser and more cautious (one might even say paranoid). You have to adapt to the changing environment, or die.

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Arcelian
0nus
#57 - 2014-06-29 22:06:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
Usually, whether it's mining bots, ratting bots, or what have you, anyone who comes to the forums and says anything about it, is horribly berated.

Like I was, several years ago. An alt of mine
Yes, just like the OP, you were taking a single characteristic and using it (without any real basis or logic) as “evidence” for the assertion that people are bots.

Quote:
I'm not sure why, but it seems most eve players would like to think their perfect game is free from macros, and all this talk of bots is pure hog wash.
No, it's because the “evidence” provided so very rarely supports the assertion and because of the nonsensical strawman arguments that inevitably follow when this inconvenient fact is pointed out.

Quote:
To the OP, I sympathize, but those bots are paying accounts too, therefore, pretty low on CCP's give a **** list.
…aside from the simple and well-known fact that CCP bans bots by the boatload any chance they get.


No basis or logic? Did you read the thread I posted?

Most humans know when the belts are empty. You didn't read it, did you?

Yeah, CCP publicizes it a great deal, as they should, make sure the masses believe that CCP has a strict no bot policy. I remember the last "unholy rage". CCP has done a great job making it "well known".
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2014-06-29 22:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Arcelian wrote:
Whether the OP's ego is to be included in the equation or not, there are a LOT of bots, there is a LOT of botting software out there, it's easy to find.

Indeed there are. Especially in Lonetrek. Blink

Quote:
I understand that his premise is weak at best, but I'd be willing to believe that at least some of the folks he is encountering are in fact, bots.
Possibly, but that's more a conclusion from statistical probability than from anything the OP has actually said.

Quote:
No basis or logic? Did you read the thread I posted?
Yes, and like the OP, you started out trying to rely on behaviour that didn't particularly have anything to do with bots. It took you several attempts before you could come up with any kind of bot-like behaviour at all. You even go so far as to use stuff that bots can't even do as evidence that they're bots. So yeah, no basis or logic seems like an apt description.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#59 - 2014-06-29 22:08:33 UTC
To the OP:

If you want to hunt people who are stupid enough to not run with probes on short scan, I suggest you move to highsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arcelian
0nus
#60 - 2014-06-29 22:12:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
Whether the OP's ego is to be included in the equation or not, there are a LOT of bots, there is a LOT of botting software out there, it's easy to find.

Indeed there are. Especially in Lonetrek. Blink

Quote:
I understand that his premise is weak at best, but I'd be willing to believe that at least some of the folks he is encountering are in fact, bots.
Possibly, but that's more a conclusion from statistical probability than from anything the OP has actually said.

Quote:
No basis or logic? Did you read the thread I posted?
Yes, and like the OP, you started out trying to rely on behaviour that didn't particularly have anything to do with bots. It took you several attempts before you could come up with any kind of bot-like behaviour at all.


I'm starting to think you are an android Tippia.

Data, is that you?