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sick and tired of null bots

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2014-06-29 21:05:57 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Xasnevian wrote:
OP, you call these people bots while your only proof is your own 'skill'. If I have to choose between all people being bots or you not being as skilful as you think you are, I choose the latter.


post on your main or GTFO

I posted with my main and all you did was throw my hilarious kill board in my face,
I think we found the problem.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-06-29 21:07:34 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
To be honest I'm surprised you get any warpable hits at all. If their intel is working properly they should be safe when you're 2 jumps out, not when you come into system.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

i drop from wormholes or bridge from systems with no eyes posted to them.

tippia you obviously havent been prowling null for as long as I have; trust me when i say there is a problem with bots running rampant.


So your character arrives in system local a second or two before you land on grid. Your 5 second scan is 5 seconds but 7-9 seconds have already passed (you had to de-cloak and launch probes). Another 8 seconds to warp to them is 15-17 in total and that's long enough for a battleship or smaller to GTFO. I's more than long enough if he's aligned to a safe, which he might be if his intel channel sucks (which it obviously does).


and this is the problem. hunting as it stands is just heavily-biased towards a ratter. Null is supposed to be risky. Where is the risk when the BEST hunters are seen from 15-20 seconds away?
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-06-29 21:08:47 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Xasnevian wrote:
OP, you call these people bots while your only proof is your own 'skill'. If I have to choose between all people being bots or you not being as skilful as you think you are, I choose the latter.


post on your main or GTFO

I posted with my main and all you did was throw my hilarious kill board in my face,
I think we found the problem.


if this is your main you should not be making snide uneducated comments about activities that you have no experience with.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2014-06-29 21:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
and this is the problem. hunting as it stands is just heavily-biased towards a ratter. Null is supposed to be risky. Where is the risk when the BEST hunters are seen from 15-20 seconds away?

Just because a risk can be mitigated by paying attention does not mean it doesn't exist. The risk is right there and is as high as ever.

Oh, and it has nothing to do with “the best” hunters. Nice chest-beating, though. Lol
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-06-29 21:15:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
and this is the problem. hunting as it stands is just heavily-biased towards a ratter. Null is supposed to be risky. Where is the risk when the BEST hunters are seen from 15-20 seconds away?

Just because a risk can be mitigated by paying attention does not mean it doesn't exist. The risk is right there and is as high as ever.



Show me how is it risky to rat in null? What can possibly happen that cannot be avoided by looking at stupid local list. The slum lord can jack up your rent price? Thats about it? You can spill your coffee on your lap as you control 10-20 bots?

Null-sec - neut in local - POS up.

Now compare to wormholes; no local - good fights, fun ganks, every day.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#26 - 2014-06-29 21:16:36 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I jump into system, have a warpable hit on a scorp navy issue in 4.6 seconds. Land on him in another 5-7 seconds, and he is gone.

Jump into a system, have a hit on a noctis in 5 seconds. Land in another 8, he is gone.

Jump into system, have a hit on an ishtar in 5 seconds. Land in 8-9 seconds, he is gone.

Jump into a system, get a hit on machariel in 4 seconds; land in 5-6 seconds, he is off the field.

in all cases they all warp to a renter pos.

I encounter this dozens of times every day. I have been doing my hunting for years; it is getting worse and worse. Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.

I have a max skilled high-grade implanted prober alt; my tackle has warp speed mods to the hilt - and STILL the ships get away more often then not.

CCP, do something about the damn botting in null pockets. If you cant do that, introduce at least a 5 second delay to local. 5 seconds, thats not too much to ask is it??

EDIT - what is the point of combat probes if the hunter using them does not stand a chance of success? EVE is all about reasonable chance; a ratter should have a reasonable chance to escape; a hunter should have a reasonable chance to catch prey. As it is, the balance is tipped too heavily towards the ratter.


Translation: I'm very bad at hunting, it MUST be bots.

Why are you probing for ships inn ANOMALIES in the 1st place. CCP gave you'hunters' a gift in that the staple null sec pve activity dones't require probes to find. You should be D-Scanning and whatever anoms are in 5% is where you warp. launching probes at all gives a warning to alert ratters AND costs you precious seconds that helps them get into warp.

Isn't it typical of these forums for someone to be very very bad at something and all of a sudden it's not them but rather something CCP should be changing?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#27 - 2014-06-29 21:20:18 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I jump into system, have a warpable hit on a scorp navy issue in 4.6 seconds. Land on him in another 5-7 seconds, and he is gone.

Jump into a system, have a hit on a noctis in 5 seconds. Land in another 8, he is gone.

Jump into system, have a hit on an ishtar in 5 seconds. Land in 8-9 seconds, he is gone.

Jump into a system, get a hit on machariel in 4 seconds; land in 5-6 seconds, he is off the field.

in all cases they all warp to a renter pos.

I encounter this dozens of times every day. I have been doing my hunting for years; it is getting worse and worse. Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.

I have a max skilled high-grade implanted prober alt; my tackle has warp speed mods to the hilt - and STILL the ships get away more often then not.

CCP, do something about the damn botting in null pockets. If you cant do that, introduce at least a 5 second delay to local. 5 seconds, thats not too much to ask is it??

EDIT - what is the point of combat probes if the hunter using them does not stand a chance of success? EVE is all about reasonable chance; a ratter should have a reasonable chance to escape; a hunter should have a reasonable chance to catch prey. As it is, the balance is tipped too heavily towards the ratter.



remove local...

(but give us a "probe radar" because having to click that button every two seconds and a little leprechaun appears and tells me to set fire to things)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-06-29 21:20:42 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I jump into system, have a warpable hit on a scorp navy issue in 4.6 seconds. Land on him in another 5-7 seconds, and he is gone.

Jump into a system, have a hit on a noctis in 5 seconds. Land in another 8, he is gone.

Jump into system, have a hit on an ishtar in 5 seconds. Land in 8-9 seconds, he is gone.

Jump into a system, get a hit on machariel in 4 seconds; land in 5-6 seconds, he is off the field.

in all cases they all warp to a renter pos.

I encounter this dozens of times every day. I have been doing my hunting for years; it is getting worse and worse. Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.

I have a max skilled high-grade implanted prober alt; my tackle has warp speed mods to the hilt - and STILL the ships get away more often then not.

CCP, do something about the damn botting in null pockets. If you cant do that, introduce at least a 5 second delay to local. 5 seconds, thats not too much to ask is it??

EDIT - what is the point of combat probes if the hunter using them does not stand a chance of success? EVE is all about reasonable chance; a ratter should have a reasonable chance to escape; a hunter should have a reasonable chance to catch prey. As it is, the balance is tipped too heavily towards the ratter.


Translation: I'm very bad at hunting, it MUST be bots.

Why are you probing for ships inn ANOMALIES in the 1st place. CCP gave you'hunters' a gift in that the staple null sec pve activity dones't require probes to find. You should be D-Scanning and whatever anoms are in 5% is where you warp. launching probes at all gives a warning to alert ratters AND costs you precious seconds that helps them get into warp.

Isn't it typical of these forums for someone to be very very bad at something and all of a sudden it's not them but rather something CCP should be changing?


For the inexperienced: most ratting null systems have 20+ anomalies scattered all within 1-2AU of each other. D-scanning takes a lot longer then combat probes on an implanted maxed prober.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2014-06-29 21:20:59 UTC
Puts probes on short scan. In nullsec.

Is surprised when people run away.

Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#30 - 2014-06-29 21:22:35 UTC
I am observing the same as the OP.
I also support a delayed local apparition, as well as a delayed k162 in both w-space amd null sec.

I am not spending the 4 or 5 sec required to pinpoint a target, coming out of a K162 that has just been spawned, I mainly do a d-scan and warp to a anomaly in range or not in range according to d-scan.. This saves these precious 4 to 7 seconds, but still with that I very rarely catch anything.

I would not go as far as the OP and say that all are bots, I believe they are not, they are just aligned to,POS and ready to warp out.

Fundamentally, solo hunting in null sec is kind of pointless at the moment. It is better in w-space though...

Null sec carebears have it too easy., but that is what CCP wants.

Vote Borat Guereen for CSM XII

Check out the Minarchist Space Project

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-06-29 21:24:02 UTC
Saisin wrote:
I am observing the same as the OP.
I also support a delayed local apparition, as well as a delayed k162 in both w-space amd null sec.

I am not spending the 4 or 5 sec required to pinpoint a target, coming out of a K162 that has just been spawned, I mainly do a d-scan and warp to a anomaly in range or not in range according to d-scan.. This saves these precious 4 to 7 seconds, but still with that I very rarely catch anything.

I would not go as far as the OP and say that all are bots, I believe they are not, they are just aligned to,POS and ready to warp out.

Fundamentally, solo hunting in null sec is kind of pointless at the moment. It is better in w-space though...

Null sec carebears have it too easy., but that is what CCP wants.


THIS.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2014-06-29 21:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Show me how is it risky to rat in null?
Well, someone might be able to sneak by all the various kinds of intel channels, probe you down, and blow you up. Depending on your set-up, some spawns also require special attention.

Quote:
What can possibly happen that cannot be avoided by looking at stupid local list.
Awoxing, ill-tempered blues, nasty NPCs, full-scale invasions with the losses of assets and installations that implies. You know, the usual stuff.
Oh, and everyone's favourite, of course: AFK cloakers, which are caused by looking at the local list. Twisted

Quote:
Now compare to wormholes; no local - good fights, fun ganks, every day.
So pick that as your hunting ground then. Problem solved. The again, it's not like local is needed to spot your arrival anyway so they can act much the same as the people you accuse of being bots.

Quote:
THIS.
What you meant to say was “post on your main or GTFO”, obviously. Right?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2014-06-29 21:25:09 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
That still leaves plenty of time and ability to have prior warning..


when i spawn a fresh k162 to null and enter it, THERE IS NO WARNING.


When there is a wormhole in my ratting system I know about it, and Im on extra guard.

There are of course Bots in null (and everywhere else), but you're complaining about people in dangerous space being aware of danger(again helped along by the fact that you are doing it wrong using probes in the 1st place).
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2014-06-29 21:28:28 UTC
Now, I'll predicate this with the fact that I already know the OP is a hypocrite, and a disgrace to his/her alliance, who in general are not shitposting crybabies.

But I love the part where the OP calls out an NPC corp alt who disagrees, and says to post with your main... and yet praises an NPC corp who agrees with him, and shows no such hostility.

OP, biomass. For the children.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2014-06-29 21:29:04 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I jump into system, have a warpable hit on a scorp navy issue in 4.6 seconds. Land on him in another 5-7 seconds, and he is gone.

Jump into a system, have a hit on a noctis in 5 seconds. Land in another 8, he is gone.

Jump into system, have a hit on an ishtar in 5 seconds. Land in 8-9 seconds, he is gone.

Jump into a system, get a hit on machariel in 4 seconds; land in 5-6 seconds, he is off the field.

in all cases they all warp to a renter pos.

I encounter this dozens of times every day. I have been doing my hunting for years; it is getting worse and worse. Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.

I have a max skilled high-grade implanted prober alt; my tackle has warp speed mods to the hilt - and STILL the ships get away more often then not.

CCP, do something about the damn botting in null pockets. If you cant do that, introduce at least a 5 second delay to local. 5 seconds, thats not too much to ask is it??

EDIT - what is the point of combat probes if the hunter using them does not stand a chance of success? EVE is all about reasonable chance; a ratter should have a reasonable chance to escape; a hunter should have a reasonable chance to catch prey. As it is, the balance is tipped too heavily towards the ratter.


Translation: I'm very bad at hunting, it MUST be bots.

Why are you probing for ships inn ANOMALIES in the 1st place. CCP gave you'hunters' a gift in that the staple null sec pve activity dones't require probes to find. You should be D-Scanning and whatever anoms are in 5% is where you warp. launching probes at all gives a warning to alert ratters AND costs you precious seconds that helps them get into warp.

Isn't it typical of these forums for someone to be very very bad at something and all of a sudden it's not them but rather something CCP should be changing?


For the inexperienced: most ratting null systems have 20+ anomalies scattered all within 1-2AU of each other. D-scanning takes a lot longer then combat probes on an implanted maxed prober.


This is how I know you're lying. Any real hunter would know that only a handful of those anoms were worth ratting (forsaken hubs, havens and sanctums, with forlorn hubs and forsaken rally points if those arne't available).

Well, either lying or you're THAT BAD at this that you don't know the above.
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#36 - 2014-06-29 21:29:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
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Translation: I'm very bad at hunting, it MUST be bots.

Why are you probing for ships inn ANOMALIES in the 1st place. CCP gave you'hunters' a gift in that the staple null sec pve activity dones't require probes to find. You should be D-Scanning and whatever anoms are in 5% is where you warp. launching probes at all gives a warning to alert ratters AND costs you precious seconds that helps them get into warp.

Isn't it typical of these forums for someone to be very very bad at something and all of a sudden it's not them but rather something CCP should be changing?

I bet you, like the others bashing the OP, are hugely profiting from the current status quo What?

As much as I am against afk cloaking, this is for now the best way to catch ratters in null sec.
Unfortunately, this is not really an option for solo PVPers as it ties up their account(s) to pretty much doing nothing much of the day.. Not very fun game play for anybody.
Only The large alliance can afford spare afk cloaking alts.

I wish CCP would trade removing afk cloaking for delayed local and k162 apparitions.

Vote Borat Guereen for CSM XII

Check out the Minarchist Space Project

Ja'kar
Corporate Scum
#37 - 2014-06-29 21:29:26 UTC
I don't really understand why ppl are arguing about his probing skills. The point is bots, which I agree I hate bots and would love to see them banned!

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-06-29 21:31:16 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Now, I'll predicate this with the fact that I already know the OP is a hypocrite, and a disgrace to his/her alliance, who in general are not shitposting crybabies.

But I love the part where the OP calls out an NPC corp alt who disagrees, and says to post with your main... and yet praises an NPC corp who agrees with him, and shows no such hostility.

OP, biomass. For the children.


For whose children? yours? Wheres he obligatory can i has your stuffz line?

i will just block you. should have done it a while ago.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2014-06-29 21:31:46 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Well, either lying or you're THAT BAD at this that you don't know the above.


Why not both?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2014-06-29 21:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ja'kar wrote:
I don't really understand why ppl are arguing about his probing skills. The point is bots, which I agree I hate bots and would love to see them banned!

Because there is little to nothing to suggest that bots is actually in any way relevant to his problems, whereas his probing skills very clearly are and because he's trying to use them as an (unfortunately fallacious) argument to support his point.