Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The majority of the time, the AFK cloaker doesn't have guns or a cyno either, just the potential for guns or a cyno to magically appear merely because he has announced the presence of an unknown factor in their daily lives. This is no different. The realization that you are being watched, to a nullbear, is an imminent threat and the announcement that someone is going to show up with an overwhelming force.

Never underestimate just how unreasonable people can be.

The majority has concluded that in order for the proposal to be anywhere reasonable, visibility on grid is a necessity and cloaking is out. If you're an object in space, you will have a filter in the overview and thus a filter in D-scan. The only person still considering options is you.

The reason this is broken is simple. You sit off station watching the carebears undock and warp off to anomaly and your friends next door now know exactly which anomaly to warp to as soon as they jump into system. There's no delay in the fleet warping to the carebears due to having to d-scan and find which anom the carebears are at. Jump in a couple interceptors and you're on grid with the carebears tackled before they can react to your fleet's appearance in local. The only way to prevent this would be to restrict the ability of the ROV to the point where it's useless.

Give me cloaky campers who show up in local over this any day. At least with them I know they're there and can deal with it accordingly.

So, you have a system in sov null, with an outpost no less, that has a next door system that is unmonitored.
It has been established that only in sov null would a neutral be viewed as a threat in this context, requiring such a tactic.

And let's be clear, to be unmonitored that means noone even passes through that system, or they would see the names plainly listed in local when passing through.

So, you have demonstrably incompetent sov holders, who are oblivious to systems even as close as one gate jump away.

These hostiles don't need the ROV at all. To suggest they even use it this way, only points out they are playing with the foolish rather than simply ejecting them from the area.

To assume the ROV operator is nearby, again, goes too far.

Sov space may be carelessly maintained by some, but those who do not even check nearby systems while operating craft known to be vulnerable... such pilots tend to remain in high sec unless others shoulder the burden of security effort for them.

Unreasonable fear requires POSSIBLE validation, and is only considered unreasonable when the probability of this is below rational consideration.
It is NOT possible for the ROV to act in the same capacity as a so-called AFK cloaking pilot.

I have yet to see a reasonable and well explained argument against this idea, that did not also ignore key points that made their argument also invalid.
Yourself as an example, you assume you can sit one gate away from a sov null system, active with PvE players, and not be spotted as well as react faster than another player watching for your name in local.

Assuming they had no clue you were next door long enough....
They only have to warp away, while you have to complete entering the system, AND warping to their location.

If you want to shoulder the risk of being blind deaf and dumb while next door to hostile sov holders, which is the cost of operating the ROV, don't you feel you deserve something for taking that risk?

...even if it is a bad risk to take?

This is a sad argument, if not a depressing one.

We should not bring in new ideas, because some players might grow confused or refuse to change their play styles?

With that argument, you could kill all changes and introductions of new mechanics entirely. Anything could ultimately fit that description.

You really need to separate these classifications.

Unreasonable: Players who see a name in local, despite being aware of an overly extended presence of same, and who assume that a hostile player can go without sleep or other absence in order to maintain a persistent threat.
While this is IMPROBABLE, it does remain a remote possibility to be true.

Delusional: That Amarr shuttle is going to open a cyno on me, and activate it's super weapons.
(Enjoy video if not already seen)

Delusional People who are concerned over things not possible in the game, cannot be pacified by the absence of things not present in the game. They already know you are watching them, through the USB port in the front of their PC.
You have also been stealing their hot pockets, using your spy tech.



Ok, just for clarification, are you operating out of hostile sov null here, or just npc null where neutral pilots are expected to be seen?

I would love to know which sov null systems are this daft, where you can stage next door over extended periods and gank them, lol.

This is funny, in my opinion.
A coup de grace argument, then, could be this:

Attention delusional pilots! CCP has secretly placed this feature in the game already, and myself and others are watching you even as you read this.

It is so top secret, you will not find any release notes even mentioning it.
This most likely means more things are coming...

A pity, we might draw out the bolder high sec dwellers if they can be convinced easy null targets can be had....