Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you need to read sir, personally i don't give a sh*t as i live in null, i just say that the mechanic is bad and i think it needs fixing yes, but personally i don't give a sh*t

Let's all not forget a bit of history here...

Before not long ago with the introduction of Crimewatch 2.0, neutral logis were quite often complained about as they incurred no aggression timer and were not shootable by anyone other than the aggressed person's own corporation... which effectively meant that they were more or less invulnerable in the context of highsec wars.

When CW 2.0 came around with the retooling of wars in late 2012, neutral logis were a far more dicey thing to run, as they now gained aggression timers to match the person they are repairing, as well as gain a Suspect flag, making them shootable by anyone. This greatly curtailed the use of OOC logis.

Now you're saying that's not enough? Are you saying that the playing field must be set and known to all parties before any combat commences, as if this is some sort of highly refereed football game?

To you nullsec'ers who complain about this - yeah, I get that you're used to living by local and depending on those red/blue/gray chips next to peoples' names. I get that you're extremely dependent on having your own cloaky scouts watching the bridging POSes of your reds and making up-to-the-minute Dingo scans available to your FCs. I understand that you feel naked when you don't have a spy on enemy comms relaying everything of import before and during a fight.

But guess what? Highsec wars are different. The wardec fields have been evened substantially over the past 2 years through nerfs, mechanics changes, and buffs. The thing you need to realize is that fighting in highsec is a different style than it is in 0.0, just like a highsec'er needs to realize that there are a lot more things to consider when moving from highsec to lowsec or 0.0.

Here's the thing - only on rare occasion do I see 0.0 small gang vs. highsec wardec'er small gang fights - and I say "small gang" because in reality, most of these highsec wardec'ers are rarely organized enough to have a coherent fleet, or even established fleet doctrines. Most are solo or in pairs, and at best only loosely work together, even within their own corps. There are no pings for fleets or scheduled ops or CTAs or the like. So yeah, you're going to see a neutral logi alt tagging along with a guy's main now and then.

So yeah, if you're going to venture into highsec while at war, be prepared for it. Bring a friend, at least a neutral one, who can take care of the any neutral logi while you work on the mains. It's not hard. But if you think you should be able to walz out of Jita 4-4 to whatever jump-off point you need to get to in order to go home, then think again.

Don't they get a suspect timer? If not they should!