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What PvE to do in a Loki?
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Aine Morchet
Beautiful Space
#1 - 2014-06-28 00:44:28 UTC
First off, yes, I know it's not a good PvE ship. I trained into it for PvP and general coolness reasons. My skills in anything other than projectiles and minmatar are awful, so while I welcome suggestions to use a different hull that will perform better/cheaper than a Loki, those suggestions must be Minmatar projectile boats (and my BS/large gun skills are also pretty much nonexistent).

Right now I make money zooming around hisec explo in a Cynabal, but now that I can fly a Loki with good skills I was wondering if I can use it to make money more effectively, maybe with lowsec exploration. I spend most of my time around Placid, which is Serpentis lowsec, but Genesis is not too far away, and the Loki's base resists seem more appropriate for Blood Raiders than Serps. How well could a Loki do soloing 5/10s and 6/10s in Serp or BR space?

Ive heard it can also be an incursion boat for the webs, though at least for VGs I've been told that the long range webs are pointless since almost everything is in range of boosted Fed Navies anyways, and I'd be better off bringing a battleship.

I havn't done any missions since the tutorial, but if the Loki is somehow really good at L4s I might grind up the standings and give that a shot. Day tripping into C2 (or C3 if possible?) wormholes is also something I've considered.

Anyways I would appreciate any advice on what to do and suggested fits. (Or you can inform me that the Loki is so awful at PvE that I should just continue doing hisec explo in a Cynabal until I can fly an actual PvE ship several months down the line, if that's actually the case What? )

Thanks!
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#2 - 2014-06-28 01:39:13 UTC
The best place I've found for a Loki is PvE webbing in C5/C6 Wormholes. T3s in general are not used all that much in Incursions anymore that I see, maybe for assaults because of the dual-room sites.

I can't really comment on exploration or things like as I've never ever used it for that.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2014-06-28 02:24:19 UTC
I have used a Loki for exploration , but he was a second account. Slot layout. lots of mids helped for fitting code breakers, analyzers, tank, etc. Probe, tractor, and cloak in the top, and whatever in the bottom (Gyro's and DC if I recall)
The Loki did the probing, salvaging, etc, and occasionally added DPs, though not much.

To be clear, this was a second account. Duel boxing.

DPS was the #1 reason I didn't use a Loki solo.
I wanted to, I tried... it just never did the job.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2014-06-28 02:47:42 UTC
Loki is going to struggle in the BR 5/10 due to lack of range. It should be able to manage the 6/10 but it's going to take a very long time (again, mostly due to range but also total damage output). It can do the Serp 5/10 because... well, because it's really not that bad. Range will become an issue in the last room again. The Serp 6 is off limits to all but specialized fits (it neuts about as hard as any site in the game) and I doubt the Loki can swing it.

Having said that, I do have a use for the Loki in PvE: it's great as a roaming null professional site runner. Something like this should pay for itself easily:

[Loki, space tourist warp fast]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Cargo Scanner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Guns are mostly for blapping stray covops ships you run into in sites. You might want to swap out the kinetic rig for explosive if you want to throw in ghost sites. Last time I took mine out they weren't in game but the payout isn't bad.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#5 - 2014-06-28 02:50:13 UTC
Covert Cloak, skirmish links II, armor or siege links II to taste, park at the edge of POS bubble.

Now you has best pve boat in the game..

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2014-06-28 03:41:38 UTC
Loki is really lackluster for combat sites. If you're going to use medium projectiles for PvE the best option would be a Sleipnir. However it's bulky and you're far more likely to get caught if you're planning on doing sites in lowsec. I would recommend sticking to highsec sites in the Cynabal until you can fly something more suited to lowsec combat sites (non-Minmatar HACs or other T3s).
Aine Morchet
Beautiful Space
#7 - 2014-06-28 04:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Morchet
Yeah I wouldn't feel safe flying a pve Sleip around lowsec ^ ^

Zhilia Mann wrote:
Loki is going to struggle in the BR 5/10 due to lack of range. It should be able to manage the 6/10 but it's going to take a very long time (again, mostly due to range but also total damage output). It can do the Serp 5/10 because... well, because it's really not that bad. Range will become an issue in the last room again. The Serp 6 is off limits to all but specialized fits (it neuts about as hard as any site in the game) and I doubt the Loki can swing it.

Having said that, I do have a use for the Loki in PvE: it's great as a roaming null professional site runner. Something like this should pay for itself easily:


Thanks for the very informative response! I'll probably give the 5/10 Serp a shot since its not like anything else I own is any better. Never really explo toured null before, maybe ill go in a covops first to get a feel and then come back in that fit. :)
Aine Morchet
Beautiful Space
#8 - 2014-06-28 11:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Morchet
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Loki is going to struggle in the BR 5/10 due to lack of range. It should be able to manage the 6/10 but it's going to take a very long time (again, mostly due to range but also total damage output).


Another question, how about Arty if range is such a big issue? Something like:

[Loki, Armor Rep Arty BR/San]

Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Internal Force Field Array I
Gyrostabilizer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener

Large Capacitor Battery II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

720mm Howitzer Artillery II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Acolyte II x5

465 gun DPS with EMP (550 with drones), webs help deal with tracking issues, reps ~1150 ehp/s vs BR. DPS is bad but at least it has ok-ish projection.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#9 - 2014-06-28 14:34:11 UTC
I used to fly an arty Loki in Minmatar hisec exploration. It was fun. Then for some reason CCP banned T3s from DED 3/10 and 4/10. Dunno why, current HACs and Gila are probably better at those sites now than the T3s were. Never tried lowsec sites with it so can't help there. It could tank a fully triggered/spawned Angel Vigil though. Dunno if my HACs could quite manage that...
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-06-29 11:25:41 UTC
Soloing C3 sites is probably the best PvE role for a Loki, since when you're doing C3s in a cruiser only EM/Therm resists matter and those are your racial T2 resists. You can get >800 DPS out of a C3 Loki and still have a probe launcher fitted to watch the hole while ratting, something you can't do with a Tengu.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#11 - 2014-06-29 13:21:22 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Soloing C3 sites is probably the best PvE role for a Loki, since when you're doing C3s in a cruiser only EM/Therm resists matter and those are your racial T2 resists. You can get >800 DPS out of a C3 Loki and still have a probe launcher fitted to watch the hole while ratting, something you can't do with a Tengu.

Care to share that fit? Not been able to get that much when I've EFTed a fit, but I suck at managing subsystems =)
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-06-29 14:10:02 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Care to share that fit? Not been able to get that much when I've EFTed a fit, but I suck at managing subsystems =)


[New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Large Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell

425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II,Hail M
Expanded Probe Launcher II,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Drones_Active=Hobgoblin II,5

810 DPS, 567 DPS EM/Therm tank.

1187.2/1187.5 PG, so needs AWU V and Projectile Rigging V.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#13 - 2014-06-29 14:48:14 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
[Fit]

810 DPS, 567 DPS EM/Therm tank.

1187.2/1187.5 PG, so needs AWU V and Projectile Rigging V.

Thanks, now I got a reason to actually train rigging to 5 Shocked

I thought wormholes were mostly omnidamage, but been a while since I delved into that.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-06-29 15:07:07 UTC
What Xeq means is that with an ab cruiser you can speed/sig tank BS turrets so you only really need to worry about missiles. Which do em/therm damage.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-06-29 15:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
What Xeq means is that with an ab cruiser you can speed/sig tank BS turrets so you only really need to worry about missiles. Which do em/therm damage.


It's actually the opposite of that, when you're moving, the exp/kin dealing missiles do no damage at all, and even on waves where you're webbed to a standstill, you're still sig tanking them down to like 40% of their normal damage. The em/therm turrets, on the other hand, will hit you for 100% damage when you're webbed to a standstill. Turrets will also hit you for 100% if you make a piloting error, whereas it's impossible to get hit for 100% from missiles no matter what you do.

More importantly, missiles don't wreck, and C3s don't scramble you, so if you do make a major error, you want an EM/Therm focused tank. A tank breaking to exp/kin damage will break slowly, giving you time to warp out. A tank breaking to EM/Therm damage has a real risk of instantly exploding at any time. Sleepless Upholder wrecking shots do 5712 damage, two of those in an across-the-board 70% omni-tanked ship and you can go from 40% shield to structure instantly.