Wormholes

Yeah... no... sorry. Your KB tells otherwise. Check out hardcocks KB if you dont know what I mean by "successful".

I'd rather not derail Procs thread into a ****-measuring contest, so you are welcome to mail or convo ;)

Re: C4's dual statics.

As a C4'er, as I've said before, an extra static won't do what you think it'll do. We can track it plenty easy and will ignore it. It'll be the same as C4's with a Higher WH static and the same as C2's with C5/Null statics.

I've been in W Space nearly three and a bit years now. Almost entirely in the one WH. I'm seeing lately less C5 k162's, nearly no C3's, less C2's but a TON more C4's. C4's are going fine, they're just not going upwards. That's replicating what I've seen for ages with our statics.

I don't think I've ever seen an online person in a C2-C5/Null WH. Other C2's with Higher WH statics, the Higher WH is always fresh. I don't think people actually exist in C4-C5 WH's.

The issue still remains, there's nothing for Lower WH people to do in Upper WH's. None of you mine or PI run, so there's nothing to hit. You run with such large groups that we really can't have a fight where we have a chance of getting something out of it. And finally why run your sites when we can run our own much safer and easier.

We can probably help solve the last two issues by giving all current Lower WH statics that go into Higher WH's (like H900's for example) the ability to jump caps. Give them like 4-5 cap jumps of mass and see if that shakes things up. It may just make a new carebear paradise, but ideally it'd give smaller groups that run caps the ability to escalate against Higher WH groups.

I will put my head out on the block and disagree with the major consensus.

It is a known fact that theres this mantra about not evicting pvp entities. As long as you play and behave in the accepted manner ofc. If you dont then everyone gang up on you. So theres an ideal that is ment to improve quality of life for the big groups that is part of the same club (WH overlords or whatever channel serves the same purpose). And ofcourse its repeated a few times on forum. But do not be fooled. This mantra only apply to those in the club. If you are a smaller group of players trying to carve your way, without "entertaining" the big groups to make them like you, you are basicly on your own and nobody cares. And there are several lesser known groups that dont mind doing evictions and infact find them fun. They dont go about boasting about it either as that would just make them a target in return. But evictions still happen. Those who can, and want to, do it. And is this really a bad thing? Are evictions and invasions what ruin wormholespace? After being on the recieving end of 4 invasions in the last year and on the dealing end a few times aswell I will VERY strongly object to this nonsense of an idea. In fact I will go so far as to state that invasions and evictions are what actually drive the major content in wormholespace. The attempt to NIP (Non Invasion Pact) everything is one (not the only) of the reasons wormholespace is becoming dull for a lot of people. Yes it sucked to loose 50 bill of assets when we was evicted from our 5-2. It was a difficult time. But for me (and I believe many others) that is what Eve is all about. Sometimes you win and sometimes you get beaten to the ground. But then you get up again and set out finding a new wormhole and start building up again. And even for those who give up, they will always remember the adventure you had, the victories and the losses. Its a story they bring on and remember. THIS is what makes eve the game we all love. Not only the victories but also the losses. And when you go and create a big blue safetyzone around you that feeling of risk, that feeling of adventure and excitement will depart and degrade aswell.

This is also one of the things that is unique to wormholespace. At least now. It used to be like this in 0.0. When ATUK[5] empire fell in the southeast we were a small group of corps that banded togeather and went back out as a new alliance [CHIMP] and took back some of the space without being dropped on by everyone. This was in the time before the big forceprojection. Before Titans. And even dreads was a rare sight.

We still have this opportunity in wormholespace. If you get beaten you can head back out and start fresh in a new system. Noone can stop you. But out of fear a lot of you sign up NIPs and add every diplo in any major group to your facebook page (metaphor). What happened to those who were willing to take a risk? To have no blues and take on the world?

If you who are a smaller group and want to take on wormholespace think you need to play the politics game with all the big groups. Let me tell you this. You dont need to. Take a step and man up. Do your own thing. Play your own way. You might loose some, but its worth it!!

I didn't say it was the only thing that we do. I simply said that that sort of life style is possible without necessarily living in a wormhole. Let's read what's on the paper, not in our heads.

Caleratu as much as I understand your point of view... and we said we were sorry about that C5>C2 incedent...

Invasions and Sieges are BAD! REEEEAAAALLY BAD! Now that doesnt mean I support a NIP NAP snippydysnap, BUT!

What is bad about Invasions:
- Mechanics

Everybody and their brother can agree that the Mechanics dominating Wormhole Sieges, are soo out of WHACK, that it is almost silly. Esspecially if you compare it to the rest. Most of the Time people are better of doing Expos ISK Wise then actually Sieging.

Which brings me to WHY? The Why is most of the TIME REEEEEEAALLY BAD! To make it silly i will put them in a ranking list:

1 - Shitton of Stuff (24 SMAs) aka the LOOT PINATA, you can also ask James Arget about such Blitzsieges (Covenant of the Phoenix if i m not mistaken) but it actually got kicked off by CO2 who have been doing it in 2013 and of course its a pure PROFIT MOTIVE

2 - The "OMGHESAIDBADTHINGS" Arguement: As most prominent example you have the HK Invasion or the Battle for Zedland...

3 - "A new home is best painted with the blood of its previous owners" - as it was done with your previous previous home by SUSU

4 - CLEANSE ALL THE CLASS. Every once in the while somebody is on a holy crusade vs AntiBob, Carebears or NULL.. sometimes all 3 together. Its also pretty popular to keep the focus on one specific class...
Chitsa 2012 - Class 6 Free of Null

5 - MERC. For example Repercussus can be hired for 2b and provide 30 Ishtar/proteii at your service .. Siege and Defense


As you can see there is not really a variaty of reasons that can consequently lead to sieges / invasions which brings me to the last point why SIEGES ARE ****!!!!!

Although i would argue that its only "a big boy" thing, i know of alot of people that provided assistence for distressed small corps (SSC and NOHO being the Prominent WHITE KNIGHTS)

So whats bad about Sieges? It's the "fun" for each individual Member, were you have to differentiate between "committed" and "casual" ... and even aggressing and defending, since most of the "Siege" Entertainment is WATCHING combined with a serious amount of WAITING! So you have pressure and BOREDOM AND the fact that you would be better off running homesites and roll for PvP.

And then there is something I always see with tears in my eyes... with every Siege "potential" PvP gets WIPED.....

So Mechanics, Reasons and strain on the individual player are not really pointing towards "invasions" being fun, esspecially if the mentality is supplemented by the nasty taste of Led and batphone......

Most of the TIME I feel Sieges are like the following:

You put a gun to someones head and say Entertain me but i will shoot you anyways. Its counterproductive...



If you really break it down: Wormhole Sieges are nothing less then glorified HellCamps... and people say Wormholes is not like NULL.... damnit EVERY TACTIC USED IN WORMHOLES (besides game of MASS) has been done in NULL.....and yes I can claim to have been involved in waaaay to many Sieges....and am known for many maaaaaaaany Strontchecks .... like seriously...ask Axloth he knows about my Talos with its Curator Buddy....

They were beaten by those willing to ensure victory through overwhelming force, for the sake of kill-mails.

I admire your "creative" view on the matter, but honest reality check .. 50 dudes without pants infront of a computer screen guarding a Forcefield is not pleasent....

although there were highlights...

Well thank you :) But that is honestly how I feel. And I know I'm not alone. It is the same reason as groups like Noho go "bhaals deep" into someones home. To risk it all and either win or loose. Same reason TRI want to take on fights where they are outnumbered. Too risk it all for a win or loss. And for the same reason we sat up a tower in c5 space a year ago. To risk it all for winning some but maybe aswell loose it all. And it was worth every minute we spent on that. Even when we lost it all.

Don't know about you, mate, but when on invasions I usually play me some Warthunder. Nothing like being a fighter pilot while your internet space ship just cycles siege and kills that tower with the stupid amount of hardeners.