Wormholes

Nice things about wormholes is that you don't need to live in wormholes to get wormhole content. Lowsec's nice for wormhole diving with how many pop up. Every other system seems to have some wormhole with someone waiting to be ganked.

I think it's the time of year.

Go to GD and people are posting threads about how dead null is.

Come to WH forum and people are posting about WHs being in a similar state.

At least in the circles I inhabit there seems to be a ton of people who're offline for RL reasons of one kind of another, or simply at reduced activity for the same reasons. The flow on effect from this though seems to be enormous. With numbers reduced and key content creators taking time away you notice people taking fights they might not have in the past due to desperation for some fun - and stooping to new lows in the lengths they're willing to go to get it. People don't seem to have much patience during these periods, and you start to see them going extra lengths ingame, threads popping up everywhere forum, and corps merging here n' there.

blah blah blah some high class neckbeards can't find gank targets anymore. No one cares & the bears are glad your leaving

Axloth Okiah is right, lower class systems esp C4 have seen ridiculous population increases. I had to roll my C4 static an average of 3 times before I could find a system with more than 3 sites in it.

The bears are getting smarter & faster. Believe or not, they actually check the forums & know which jackasses like to blob 20 neckbeards deep. Of course they aren't going to fight you & really don't give a damn about your enjoyment.

You don't look like QT!


Have fun in Razor, I guess.

Well, my alliance killed a RR Golem today, and looted a POS worth of unanchored mods floating in space, so I guess you could say WHs are pretty busy.

If wspace is dead, and we're in denial, I guess we'll have to do something about it!

quak quak..

All I have to say is **** content. Yeah **** it. I am here to have fun and not have content.

Soon as CCP adds personal ship hanger arrays WH space will be fat with targets, your sleeper salvage and gas prices will crash and soon everyone will be crying WH space is now too easy. If CCP intends to add something to WH space they need to tread lightly or else break WH space. When I lived in WH space I never really had high expectations to get fights there. Instead I used it for random entrances into 0.0 to pick fights. With the recent WH spawn changes in lowsec I now don't even need to live in WH space to get those convenient random entrances to 0.0. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen any noteable lowsec groups take advantage of this change.

*Adding Wspace credentials at the bottom to weed out the "PL knows nothing guys"
*Still has a toon in one of the corps that have posted in this thread.

There is nothing wrong with Wspace in its current mechanical state.

But it's also the current state that is the problem. A couple of years ago there was infact a lot more action. Smaller more sporadic action, but still more. Why? Because friendships had not been established, capsuleers weren't at the end of the Technology Tree(been playing Civ5 lately) Players weren't settled in fortress built systems, a few of the big ones were, but not as today.

We saw the fall of CCRES - Rise of the Russian (Starbridge and bros) - NATO appeared to counter - AHARM vs Rook and Kings - Narwhals formed one of the biggest coalitions of that time "WH Domination" (which was stolen by Lead Farmers when coalition members realised they were being used to help Narwhals finish their merc contracts) That coalition ended as it became commonly knowns as the "Save Imperial Guardians-over-and-over Coalition) - We saw the behemoth size alliance of Talocan United take shape. We of course had the "AAA ARE GONNA TAKE OVER ALL C6/C5" scare, the "GOONS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER ALL C6/C5" scare, and obviously another "THE RUSSIAN ARE COMING". Ofc, there is a lot of other important events, but these were some of the more public ones.

This past bore the mark of less "big groups" where few of them knew eachother by more than at the end of eachothers crosshair. But as younger corps got bigger and everyone got multiple capitals in their systems, so came the rise of "WH Overlords" ground zero for the political cancer of Wormhole space.

WH Overlords was an ingame channel for the biggest and "most influential groups" in Wspace

Rather than what could have been a promising forum for Wspace to flourish, it ofcource became and circlejerk dickmeasuring roundtable and of course, the rise of Diplomat/Smoothtalker Herrbert (damn you all). That said, I didn't do anything to help the channel out myself, as my CEO told me not to aggravate anyone, so I spendt my time there leaking quotes to friend and foe.

The tendency to batphone people had ofcource, always existed, but it seemed to have been kept more locally. Quickly it turned into batphoning the ones that was not already on the other side of the table in that channel.
(We even had someone ask for help in that channel while half of the representatives were already shooting their towers, so smart) But in essence, the political land scape was quickly mapped out by that channel.

Now is that a problem for wormhole space?
Both yes and no, because all it really does, in the eyes of a grunt, is to dictate the size of the fleet you will be facing. But what happens when suddenly the political landscape changes so dramaticly that the end result is a NIP that dwarfs the one in Nullsec in terms of how it effects people. The home systems of larger entities these days are fat iskwise, that they are literally the VFKs of Nullsec. (Goons home capital for some of you cavemen) You wont leave it undefended, you rarely move to far away from it, and you sure as hell won't move it every other day. This is against the design of Wormhole Space as it was originally intended by CCP. (By the words of CCP, Fanfest 2011) We weren't suppose to settle down like this, so it that hard to figure out why Wspace have become more static than in the past? True, more isk is being destroyed than ever, but its not really that hard hitting 100b destroyed, when a dead dreadnaught can easily cover 10% of that. Yes, ships are much more expensive these days than a few years ago.

A mantra between the older wormhole pilots has been always been. Don't evict pvp entities. Which in essence is great, but it doesn't quite factor in boredom. Lead Farmers, despiced invasions/evictions, but we did it aswell if we were bored enough. Because its Wspace Content. It was never about financial gain, it was ever only for killmails. SSC was always invited, regardless of their horrible bookmark naming convention, because they were best bros, and some of them were great guys to spend an evening with.

So what am I rambling on about?

Wspace is okay in its current state, its probably pretty healthy in terms of population. But it can't become more either. Because we the players made it what it is.

Is it optimal? no.
Is it exciting? no.
Does it make you better pilots, than the F1 monkeys you claim NS'ers to be? Hell, no.
Is it the dream? God, no.

Now could it become more?

Personally I do not think so. Not unless Wspace is radically changed for good. We're talking, no towers, no permanent home, no capitals sort of changes. The T3 meta needs to change completely. There are a lot of quality ships out there that would be amazing to use in the unique Wspace environment, but you are all missing out. Anything less than that will fall short of creating a more dynamic and fun Wspace.


WSpace Credentials :
C1-C3-C5 corp from Apocrypha release
2 years with Lead Farmers as Senior Director responsible for Alliance wide PVP/Tactics/Theory
Head FC of the Disawoved dunk in Lead Farmers home.
Shook Eelm's hand.
.end swag

This is written before reading pretty much anything in thread.
Random ramblings on stuff.

To me, as someone in the lower WH's, the big change is that we're loosing the "middle". WH's used to have all types and all comers in here. As I said ages ago on a thread, you go into any WH and see something different. Miners, Pi Runners, Reaction Bears, Sleeper site runners. Solo Hunters, Micro Gangs, Small Gangs, actual scary big fleets. The works. Most groups were a mix of all of these. The Middle.

Slowly over time we're loosing a lot of these. Partially because of CCP changes, partially because of life. Groups tend to be all in POS or all out of POS these days. Many smaller groups have merged into larger ones.

Since CCP changed gravs into green anomalies over red signatures, WH mining has been dead. It was by far the most dangerous activity in EVE beforehand, now it's just guaranteed suicide. This MUST be reversed and ideally they should ahvea bit harder sig to scan than previous.

The Discovery Scanner means anyone can run home before you've even landed on grid with the static WH. Any anomaly with 0% should not show (just like if it's been ignored, functionality is already there) in the scan window. Make it W space only so the K spacers don't cry.

PI runners for some reason don't seem to exist anymore, except in large Pi Corps. AMC.WHD has at least 20 PI characters I've seen over the last couple of days, just sayin...

Warp Stabbed Epithals are killing the bread and butter of Solo Hunters. Those kinds of kills may be cheap and easy, but they sustain you between the bigger ones. Maybe if Warp Stabs hurt align or something. Punishing their lock time and range is pretty pointless for haulers.

As groups merge, blue up and move in together, the opportunities for micro and small gang reduce. No one is going to whelp 3-8 guys into a big fleet and this tends to annoy all involved.
The larger groups tend to force people to either blue up or pos up, thus perpetuating the cycle.
If you're in a larger group, go split off into a smaller one elsewhere. A 1v5 fight is potentially possible to get something out of. A 10v50 isn't.

A sleeper loot rebalance would be nice. Personally I think most isk in C1/2's WH's should come from blues, about 50/50 for C3/4's and most from salvage for the c5/6'ers. If it's more market based for the escalations, then the farmers should end up doing what they do in FW, leave as it's not good isk anymore.

Also a replacement for no NPC api data (which is good) should be that all sleeper sites for the next 2-3 days spawn a white warpable anomaly. Doesn't have anything in it, just another place to warp and fight at, plus gives some vague idea over activity in the WH.