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So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec
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Bael Malefic
Doomheim
#101 - 2014-06-27 11:51:17 UTC
Infrequent wrote:


As a fellow ex-provi member, there's no better video which represents day to day pvp down there.


I wanted some sort of submarine diving klaxon for those intel channels. Loved to watch shiny PVE ships panic-docking four jumps away from a reported roaming frigate gang.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#102 - 2014-06-27 12:50:52 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.


See, problems like this are easily fixed - there are plenty of organisations you can join if you want to shoot me! Hell, as a WIdot pubbie, you can join our side and make disparaging comments my way freely all day long, and fit right in.

Sad

I have an even easier fix: stop trying, I'm not interested. I'm not being sarcastic, the way nullsec apologists recruit people really reminds me of Jehova's Witnesses. Just look at your own reply: implying there's a problem that needs fixing. I'm sure there are enough organizations that would allow me to shoot you, but what makes you think I require anyones approval?

Nullsec is completely overorganized. Up to a point where people will tell you where and where not to rat. Don't even get started on concepts such as OTEC and B0TLRD... Proxy wars are as exiting as watching paint dry. Some entities even have the gall to ask rediculous amount of commitment to their causes, usually lining the pockets of the already-rich, and thus offering nothing more then a system of restrictions in exchange for (percieved) safety, SRP and docking rights.

In short, I'm not on the payroll with any of these big alliances so I have 0 reason to care who owns sov. I don't want to fit into this idiotic carebear system so I'll have my fun in lowsec and occasionally wspace.

"I miss the days when anything on the overview was fair game. All these rules to keep the status quo and restrict alliances to only be able to swing pillows at each other is a cancer in this game."
- Marlona Sky


@Ramona McCandless: I can't deny I tried giving my avatar picture a hard light contrast, so I can see how you make that connection. Big smile
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#103 - 2014-06-27 13:05:05 UTC
The short answer as to why not move to null is lowsec is better.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2014-06-27 13:10:53 UTC
Why I don't move to nullsec? Main reason is that in a very broad sense, I don't pay to be told how to play. If I ever felt like not being a hiseccer, I'd rather move to a wormhole than to nullsec (and actually I've been to several wormholes, but never ever went to nullsec).

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#105 - 2014-06-27 13:12:27 UTC
Don't want to pay rent.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-06-27 13:28:26 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.


See, problems like this are easily fixed - there are plenty of organisations you can join if you want to shoot me! Hell, as a WIdot pubbie, you can join our side and make disparaging comments my way freely all day long, and fit right in.

Sad

I have an even easier fix: stop trying, I'm not interested. I'm not being sarcastic, the way nullsec apologists recruit people really reminds me of Jehova's Witnesses. Just look at your own reply: implying there's a problem that needs fixing. I'm sure there are enough organizations that would allow me to shoot you, but what makes you think I require anyones approval?


Or, perhaps, you could consider I was just having a light-hearted joke. You know, rather than taking your fairly snotty and self-righteous call-out personally Straight
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2014-06-27 14:28:47 UTC
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.



Unconsistent game time ( can not play for weeks due to work) made me leave 0.0 back when 0.0 was interestign and system coudl be lost of taken within 24h and there were several groups fighting.

Now.. with the current mechanics and pathetic situation of 2 super blocks .. I cannot see a reason to live in 0.0. 0.0 became just a place to visit and hunt a deer, take a picture with the carcass and go back home after that.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2014-06-27 14:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmonky
Been in Null - We spent a long time to move there. Spent two months pretending that docking up every time someone hit local so as not to upset the landlords by shooting someone who was not blue or red but was friendly to someone somewhere, was fun. Every neutral had to be researched thoroughly before anyone could even move, then we weren't allowed to speak in local and after recieving nearly 5 billion in rent the landlord gave us 24 hours to relocate where they blapped our JF pilot after 6 hours.


Null can GTFO.

Long live Wormhole space, where common sense is required and the potential for isk making is northwards of INSANE
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#109 - 2014-06-27 14:41:10 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:

@Ramona McCandless: I can't deny I tried giving my avatar picture a hard light contrast, so I can see how you make that connection. Big smile


I think it looks well, nice and unique

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-06-27 14:56:24 UTC
As a New Order supporter and ganker it is well known that we are too scared to live in nullsec. So I would never live there. I also am afraid of wh space. Good ole safe Hisec is the place for me!

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#111 - 2014-06-27 14:58:45 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
As a New Order supporter and ganker it is well known that we are too scared to live in nullsec. So I would never live there. I also am afraid of wh space. Good ole safe Hisec is the place for me!


I can confirm with 100% clarity Malcolm has never been in a Wormhole system and has certainly not blown up mining barges in there.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#112 - 2014-06-27 15:11:36 UTC
The CFC... oh wait...

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#113 - 2014-06-27 15:18:40 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics


Tried it and this.

People: "You shouldn't burn bridges." Me: "I don't, I bomb them from orbit."
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#114 - 2014-06-27 15:29:52 UTC
Last time/first time I went to null with a corp/alliance...they told me I wasn't allowed to talk to people in local. Ever. So I thought that was stupid and left.
I guess the only thing keeping me from going there is finding the right group to join.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#115 - 2014-06-27 15:32:19 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
The CFC... oh wait...

Very scary entity, that.

I hear they have an excellent rental program though. I can hook ya up :v:

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#116 - 2014-06-27 15:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.


See, problems like this are easily fixed - there are plenty of organisations you can join if you want to shoot me! Hell, as a WIdot pubbie, you can join our side and make disparaging comments my way freely all day long, and fit right in.

Sad

I have an even easier fix: stop trying, I'm not interested. I'm not being sarcastic, the way nullsec apologists recruit people really reminds me of Jehova's Witnesses. Just look at your own reply: implying there's a problem that needs fixing. I'm sure there are enough organizations that would allow me to shoot you, but what makes you think I require anyones approval?


Or, perhaps, you could consider I was just having a light-hearted joke. You know, rather than taking your fairly snotty and self-righteous call-out personally Straight


This personality was bred, it's not inherent to my IRL personality. You are damn right it's snotty, if not outright elitist.

That's exactly the point. Nullsec entities have provided enough fuel to actually foster these attitudes, up to a point where your opinion on our narcissistic self-importance is no longer relevant because you are part of the problem. Please, don't be mad because we require other people to realize nullsec warfare is fake and staged, and your Dear Leaders true motivations are to grow rich and fat upon moongoo while keeping the bourgeoisie happy with the pretext of pretend-war.

You said that if you don't like the way nullsec currently is, try to help change it! The Skyllian Blitz will not happen without a change of mentality. So don't be surprised when others see OTEC and B0TLRD, and decide to do some social engineering of their own. With null entities sucking on the teats of their ISK pooping renters, you'd expect people to form up and punish this complacancy. Why are you even remotely surprised this mentality pops up in a topic about what keeps people from moving to nullsec?

@Ramona McCandless: thanks! I spent quite some time on this portrait, glad you like it! I don't need anyone else's approval, you know you are a bit special to me. Blink
Toshiro Hasegawa
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#117 - 2014-06-27 15:56:42 UTC
Having spent time of and on in nullsec since release .. before POS and station seeding .. before jump drives, before alliances, before Sov .. and then most recently most of last summer and fall .. i can safely say that i love it and i hate it.

Its some of the most fun i have had in game .. and also some of the most annoying times.

I know i will go back out again .. for at the moment i am going to enjoy other elements of the game.

I dont think one is better than the other .. there are so many facets to, and ways of playing, the game ..

But right now .. i need some time when i dont have to worry about moving again, buying ships, worrying about politics and drama, worrying about restrictions to ships fittings, where i can and cant not pve .. and pvp where i am at now .. doesnt take hours between form up, flying around, fighting, and getting home .. i have a kid and wife and life and i might only have 1hr a night .. if that some nights ..

but there is no way in hell I am not going back .. already starting to feel the bug .. and i dont think i can explain what attracts me .. but in some ways because its the hardest .. most challenging part of the game .. due to all the logistics and drama and politics and cloaky campers and and and .. being out there .. doing my thing .. helping my corp and my alliance is also the most rewarding.

tldr

Nullsec is hard - so when i am weak i head back to emp for a more simpler fun. it is a game after all.

History is the study of change.

Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2014-06-27 16:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinrich Erquilenne
- my character is new. I don't have enough skill points to move to nullsec without losing 100% of the 1 vs 1 pvp matches. Needs two more years of training before I can see a change. *yawns*

- I won't be able to be independent before a few months. I can't even kill a battlecruiser and its escorts rats in lowsec.... If I can't get out and do my stuff because mom & dad aren't here what's the point? I like group stuff but I also like being able to do what I want, ALONE. And if possible more or less quietly.

- Player owned defensive structures are weak and pathetic. I know it's there to force player interaction but it's more or less a 24/7 job to live in nullsec. And I already have a job.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2014-06-27 17:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Dhaq wrote:
Frank Truck wrote:
Naraish Adarn wrote:
wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec.


Without local, no, that cannot be.

This thread is now a remove local thread.Pirate


Wait, wouldn't that be a nerf AFK cloaking thread? If you can't see them in local you dont have to worry about them.

We already have an AFK counter to removing local. Create a safe spot, fly a rookie ship to it, eject and leave system. Best of all, No cloak needed! You can also stay in system next to it with a cloaky blaster proteus and pop anything that comes to remove the rookie ship from scan.

Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
- my character is new. I don't have enough skill points to move to nullsec without losing 100% of the 1 vs 1 pvp matches. Needs two more years of training before I can see a change. *yawns*

Uh, no. You can be winning 1v1's within a month of starting, and pvp matches with small gangs earlier. Try flying with people that know what they're doing.

As for the thread topic, I'll probably try sov null eventually, but mandatory fleet ops and I don't mix. I've been out to sov null once for exploration before getting my cheetah popped by getting distracted on a gate and forgetting to cloak up XD. Good thing that didn't happen in high sec, my permit would have been revoked.

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Adrellisartar Novalrus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#120 - 2014-06-27 17:20:04 UTC
I have neither the expendable ships, nor the secured income to go along with it, and I lack the skills to rat down in null effectively enough..pretty much I'm poor and not trained to rat. Not yet(mission runner wanting to try incursions)

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