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Mario Putzo

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#181 - 2014-06-28 22:33:07 UTC

Marsha Mallow wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

If only we were elite enough to not F1 and just use drone assist...

I know, but drone assist monkey just doesn't have the same ring to it :P Blobmonkey works I suppose.

Having said that, I was in a FW system the other day and the locals were screaming about filthy blobbers. At 7 of us in dessies. Honestly I laughed so hard I nearly died to gate guns. Maybe they were roleplaying. There's an odd vibe in lowsec, like everyone is either off their **** all the time or a bit loopy. Works for me v0v

Any fleet bigger than yours is a Blob, and when your fleet is bigger than the enemy its a good fight. EVE PVP 101.

Also the proper term for a denizen of nullsec is a Nullbear.

Shaera Taam

Khanid Prime Free Irregulars

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#182 - 2014-06-28 22:36:35 UTC

Vincent Athena wrote:

1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics

I just got /back/ from null and OMG this.

I find that I have a supreme dislike for twerps who barely speak my language telling me what to do, on threat of setting me red without warning.

But, yknow, I just realized that it's mostly the /twerp/ part...

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#183 - 2014-06-28 22:37:13 UTC

Marsha Mallow wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

If only we were elite enough to not F1 and just use drone assist...

I'd think you're better off using the gevlon goblin therminology of blobbear (very similar to blobber, actually).

That reminds me, one of the guys in Fweddit mentioned when they got too large they were autoblobbing people simply by reputation, so they came to nullsec to get fights. Though they have recently become a CFC member alliance, seems they're happy in their home in FWland

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#184 - 2014-06-28 22:38:37 UTC | Edited by: Alavaria Fera

Mario Putzo wrote:

Boy you make a strong argument on the merits of Nullsec.

"Hey guys we didn't really do anything today. We formed up a 50 man roaming fleet but no one would fight us because we are blue to everything within 30 jumps in either direction."

No, this is what the op success broadcasts look like.

SMUGCAST: We just completely ran roughshod over irrelevant lowsec nerds as they tried to ref a CSAA (http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4750&b=6043426&e=30&t=abbrab) and took a worthy butcher's bill.

Oh wow, a MOA&BL Navy Apoc fleet, damnit, I should've gone on that fleet. Ah, Navy Apoc with ... triage archon support... interesting choice. 360 vs 100, they're so brave to fight outnumbered.


Mario Putzo Likes received: 1,657	#185 - 2014-06-28 22:48:41 UTC 1 Waiting on a timer to tell you when to play the game. Sounds like a fun time.

Lyrrashae

Hellstar Towing and Recovery

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#186 - 2014-06-28 23:29:06 UTC

Jenn aSide wrote:

Lyrrashae wrote:

See my sig.

E:

And because **** them, that's why.

You sig demonstrates someone who doesn't know how to pick a proper null sec corporation lol.

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Too right hon/mate, too frigging right.

Granted, it left a quite foul taste in my mouth, but then, fairly soon after, a funny thing happened:

I found a proper low sec/wormhole corporation and never looked back. And also, in time, discovered the joys of the "all-sec" solo'ist playstyle --read: Exploration.

I simply no longer need anything those jumped-up idiots say they offer (if I ever did before), least of all in exchange for the individuality and criticality they demand in return. (And they all do at least to some degree, so let's stop kidding ourselves.)

Fake-edit: Wormhole space is what deep-nullsec should have been IMHO.

But then, in this thread, we get the usual Internet-vermin coming into threads like this and spewing that people don't like it because they can't cut it in a semi-consensual battleground that's almost as safe as hisec even in places where you see no-one for literally days at a time.

Where many of the game's by far most most pathetic, whining, over-entitled carebears are to be found, who think that they can dictate the entire damned game for everyone down to their pathetic, shallow, craven level.

(At least the hisec version of those know to bloody well keep to their place and keep quiet.)

Yeah:

**** them and their hilarious circle-jerk of self-delusion.

EVE is much, much more than they can ever even imagine, let alone have the actual spine to be. That's why I love it.

That's what keeps me out of sov-nullsec.

EVE doesn't have anything that forces me to have anything to do with them if I don't want to, and has what allows me to thrive on my own terms and schedule, if/when/how I want to. That's why I love it.

That's what keeps me out of nullsec:

I simply don't need or want anything that they really have to offer.

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E:

And because f-- oh Hell, nevermind.

Ni.

Marsha Mallow

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#187 - 2014-06-29 00:07:48 UTC | Edited by: Marsha Mallow

Alavaria Fera wrote:

That reminds me, one of the guys in Fweddit mentioned when they got too large they were autoblobbing people simply by reputation, so they came to nullsec to get fights. Though they have recently become a CFC member alliance, seems they're happy in their home in FWland

I asked a very small gang fc years ago (who is one of the best I've ever fleeted with) why they don't use an ewar boat in place of logi if they're fighting outnumbered. He replied that basically they have to look attractive enough to get a fight, to the point of dumbing down their doctrines and limiting numbers, and using Ewar is a massive no-no. Soon as you field one, the other side go in a huff, refuse to fight and sit in station sobbing about blobbing and ewar for weeks. Same with OP settups. Kind of sad that people are so terrified of good settups, but the wierd honour code is there in null in a way too (ie, don't primary the fc etc).

Alavaria Fera wrote:

SMUGCAST: We just completely ran roughshod over irrelevant lowsec nerds

Thing is, the lowsec nerds I know don't give a toss about null. They're either indifferent or contemptuous. Not because they haven't been there or are massive failures at sov warfare, mainly because they see it as irrelevant. Insults like that tend to amuse them more than anything. I know the smallgang elitists are at least as uppity as mouthy blobbers, but they're far from irrelevant. It's just that their reputation falls outside the sov-holding niche, nothing wrong with that. Darkside/Outbreak/Hydra roams used to cause stampedes of terror, and some of the most hilarious massacres, which tbh are priceless.

Lyrrashae wrote:

And because f-- oh Hell, nevermind.

There's a lot of bitter in this thread from people who have had bad experiences, which is fair enough. It does make a difference being in a good corp vs a bad one in null though. All joking aside, I'm not sure even Goons can understand how bad some of the worst nullsec corps and alliances are, because they tend to treat their own members relatively well. Anyway, ignore the courgette wavers and gl with what you're doing. Better to move to a new area than quit, which a lot do when they burn out of null. But there is no point being overly bitter about it - some of those experiences are down to luck/timing. WHs/Lowsec really are a decent alternate atm, and one that should continue to see some buffs. Null needs a fix but the alternatives *might* just be better for some.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Lyrrashae

Hellstar Towing and Recovery

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#188 - 2014-06-29 00:17:50 UTC

Bael Malefic wrote:

Jenn aSide wrote:

A guy with a tengu and acnhoring lvl 1 (so they can anchor a can) can (if he's willing to make 3-4 trips to empire every 6 weeks or so in a cargo expanded covert/nullified fit) can set up shop in null and pve his ass to riches for a long time. Solo..... Casually.... Long in when you want, log off when you want.

How many people do that, out of 400+k accounts in EVE? Maybe a handful.

A guy with a Tengu, eh? That's somebody who has spent 1 year + of sub money skilling up to be able to fly that (properly, not just sit in it) just so they can get killed periodically while attempting to run the perpetual gate camps, blockades and roams that define the periphery of null. Guys with Tengus get killed *all the time* in my neighbourhood in null.

That is why so few do that. Because it is neither scalable nor sustainable.

Actually, that isn't true.

A good Tengu training plan is much shorter than that --a few months for near max'ed medium missiles, shield tanking, navigation, decent cap, proper fitting (Is EVEMon still around? Must install it in this computer if so, so I can actually check these things again.), plus all four Subsystem skills, all of which are rank 1.

As well:

The "wormhole highway" for entry/exit. Can be done 100% solo.

Or a couple friends (or alts, EVE being EVE) with cloaky/Covert Cyno-equipped Recon + Covert Jump-portal equipped BLOPS to get you in, your 'Gu equipped with Covert subsystem to transit the portal, Interdiction Nullifier to deal with any potential....little spots of bother...and a Mobile Depot in the cargo (yes, you can swap subs in space using their fitting services).

Takes a bit of doing to prepare the ground --IE, making safe-spots, bounce-spots, gate on/off-grid perch-spots, that sort of thing-- but can be so immensely worth it in the end.

After all, you're probably not going to be finding these in 0.1+ space, unless someone is being extra-spicy stupid.

The fact that us "scared widdle hisec caerbares!!1111ononone" can do this --and quite some few do all the time-- and that so many nullsceers hate it just makes me smile.

Ni.

Ila Dace

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#189 - 2014-06-29 01:45:52 UTC | Edited by: Ila Dace

OK, everyone... get a billion in assets and move it all to station X in system Y in three days. We'll have carriers for everyone to move their crap, except you because you're in a stupid timezone and you go to work and sleep.

OK great, we're all here, awesome... Now this is super important! We're all going to go bash a POS, no exceptions and you must have this fit that we didn't tell you about yesterday. Great.

OK, um, everyone, I got bored being the FC so I'm dropping corp, selling my character and joining Panda McLegion on an alt... bye.

Hi, new CEO here, super excited to see you all here. As my first act I'm afraid I'm going to have to bump the corp tax rate to 30% and ask everyone to send me 40million ISK apiece tonight because the other guy emptied the corp wallet when he left and we have to pay the alliance fees and rent.

Um, hi again everybody... Look I know we just moved here last week but it looks like the alliance we rent from is losing sovereignty, so get all your stuff moved to low sec until we sort out where we're going to be based again...

Great job on the move. This corp wasn't what I really wanted to do, so, uh, I'm going to disband it. Fly safe! Maybe go join Goons.

Also... Just had a kid, no time for serious internet spaceships.

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#190 - 2014-06-29 04:12:48 UTC

Mario Putzo wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Mario Putzo wrote:

Because Nullsec is largely ****. There is absolutely no reason to actually live there, unless you enjoy the CTA's and TIDI fights. As an individual you never see money from moons or rent,

Good thing we're hopelessly indoctrinated then.

Oh, I know, let me leak our top secret ctas, we recently had a "defcon 25* all hands on trouser snake stratop"

Thats the thing with empires, they tend to get big.

Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2,368
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,368	#191 - 2014-06-29 05:00:24 UTC baltec1 wrote: Thats the thing with empires, they tend to get big. Forever expanding like bacteria that stinks up the place. ~ Professional Forum Alt ~

William Ruben

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#192 - 2014-06-29 05:20:37 UTC

Ila Dace wrote:

Also... Just had a kid, no time for serious internet spaceships.

Kid part aside (congrats), sounds like just another bad corp experience.

I just hit 2 million sp and have been in null since day two and I can say that I have encountered exactly none of the complaints about time demands, rent, etc. Pick your corps better IDK v0v My biggest complaint is that there aren't enough good combat sites to scan down in our area for my skill level

0asis Group 954
TharOkha 0asis Group Likes received: 954	#193 - 2014-06-29 05:38:19 UTC \| Edited by: TharOkha I miss large jita-scale open market in null. (i mean open for all, not just for Alliance members). CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#194 - 2014-06-29 05:46:45 UTC

Sentamon wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Thats the thing with empires, they tend to get big.

Forever expanding like bacteria that stinks up the place.

That smell would be the peasants making lots of noise about how its bad that a large number of people are building nations that are stable, well organised and well funded that provide many socialist advantages they do not have access to.

Johnny M'gambo

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#195 - 2014-06-29 06:00:34 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Sentamon wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Thats the thing with empires, they tend to get big.

Forever expanding like bacteria that stinks up the place.

Hello kind sir. My name is John M'gambo and I am from Nigeria. Please give me citizenship to your fair country so that I might dine at the table of your wise and enlightened socialist system. My 29 children desperately require your assistance in this matter.

Kind Regards
-'Prince' John M'gambo - Investment Banker and Finance Minister - Bank of Nigeria

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#196 - 2014-06-29 06:19:37 UTC

Johnny M'gambo wrote:

Please feel free to drop our recruitment officials a mail. We welcome all royal princes and for a small administration fee you can join our glorious socialist dictatorship.

Johnny M'gambo

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#197 - 2014-06-29 06:22:48 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Johnny M'gambo wrote:

Please feel free to drop our recruitment officials a mail. We welcome all royal princes and for a small administration fee you can join our glorious socialist dictatorship.

Sir

As my pricely wealth was recently confiscated by unenlightened and non-socialist state officials, I am unable to provide the fees of which you speak. Please enter me into your enlightned nation without charge and my 29 children will be able to find nourishment.

Best Regards
-'Pauper' John M'gambo - Impoverished Former Banker and Finance Minister - Bank of Nigeria

Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3,799
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 3,799	#198 - 2014-06-29 06:35:50 UTC Why restrict yourself to a certain playstyle and region? I'm my own NPC alt.

Doomheim 111
Bael Malefic Doomheim Likes received: 111	#199 - 2014-06-29 07:03:15 UTC Jenn aSide wrote: And wtf, a year to use a tengu proplery, someone can't use EVEMON lol. And wtf, someone can't differentiate between a minimal skillset for a hull and mastering the skillset for that hull lol.

Missiles 'R' Us 193
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us Likes received: 193	#200 - 2014-06-29 08:48:31 UTC So what's keeping me from moving to Null Sec? Afraid of getting blown up! Why lie about it and making silly excuses, when this is the truth?