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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#241 - 2014-06-30 17:38:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:

It's actually fairly easy: just don't rely on fallacies to carry your (lack of) argument.
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Nope just pick the right target audience and fill your argument with nothing but the improper use of common debate terminologies instead and accuse the person you are arguing with of using them.( I refrain from using the word debate as you do not know how to do so.) Sit back and stroke your neck beard while eating twinkies and enjoys a good self chuckle.
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#242 - 2014-06-30 17:39:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So would you put up a poll that includes the opinions of people who dont run their accounts with PLEX but use them in other ways?

Seems to me that our opinion on the price of PLEX and how it applies to subscription numbers should also count.

if mine doesn't count yours does not either. So I guess no one wins this argument.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#243 - 2014-06-30 17:40:38 UTC
polly papercut wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So would you put up a poll that includes the opinions of people who dont run their accounts with PLEX but use them in other ways?

Seems to me that our opinion on the price of PLEX and how it applies to subscription numbers should also count.

if mine doesn't count yours does not either. So I guess no one wins this argument.


So.... no one counts and the OP should request a thread close?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#244 - 2014-06-30 17:40:43 UTC
ladies and gentlemen,The Dunning–Kruger effect.

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Arcelian
0nus
#245 - 2014-06-30 17:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcelian
polly papercut wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
Tippia: Arcelian, you are ignorant, uneducated, and probably dropped out in middle school, I'm surprised you can even read with your vastly inferior intellect.

Arcelian: Hey, screw you *******!

Tippia: Ad hominem attacks!

Arcelian: You just called me stupid.

Tippia: Strawman! I never said that.

Arcelian: But...it's...sigh

Tippia: I win. Strawman! Fallacies! Tinman! Toto!

You have it ass backwards, but you're funny and good natured about it so You can a like regardless.


Tippia is definitely right in this particular discussion, I'm just making fun of the way he does it. Makes it very difficult to argue against when half of what you say is dismissed based on a "fallacy", without ever saying why to back up that assertion.

By the way, I ♥ Tippia.

He can't back it up because he is just pulling terminology's off Google and without fully understanding how to apply them, while make attempts at using them. Now given his general audience EVE players he could have very well just replied solely with " EVE is good" "internet space ships pew pew" and "CCP, ISD , CSM" and everyone would cheer in an uproar.

It is kind of like when someone will use controversial terms to reach their target audience. I will give Tippia credit for knowing his audience well enough to use this tactic. How ever even though most of you agree with him here it does not make him right.
seeing as we only have about 200 replies to these post and maybe 100 unique posters the sample size is to small and he has proven nothing.

You guys agreeing with him here out of the 500,000 EVE accounts while i am sure boost his ego, it means absolutely zero. As you guys make up to small of a sample size to make a difference.

And I think it's funny he still uses straw man out of context and when I have shown him why he uses it out of context he calls that a straw man. but the above quote even though you tend to agree with tippia is a pretty accurate demonstration as to how he conducts a debate.

It is a tactic that will continue to work as long as he stays around his target audience. That of course being you guys who love and support eve and ccp. out side of these forums he would have been laughed at and booed off stage.
Either way he is still wrong and 100 people agreeing with him does not make him right.

But it was a good laugh at anyrate.


Tippia argues with the personality of "David" from Prometheus, condescending, cold, and without regard. Quite possibly, the eve forums could have done this to him, couldn't imagine why, it's a lovely place. It's because of this attitude that you WANT him to be wrong. Chances are, splitting hairs, a+b, he's right. Tippia would call what I just said a Strawman. I hope that through all of this he finally gets a brain. (the strawman that is)

But I feel that many discussions go beyond a + b, that everything is not black and white, we can't know everything. According to Tippia this is not the case. (another strawman, just my opinion though)

However in this discussion you are in the Tippia element, because numbers don't lie, and he's damn good at looking at the numbers.

I wouldn't take it so personally.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#246 - 2014-06-30 17:47:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
polly papercut wrote:
He can't back it up because he is just pulling terminology's off Google and without fully understanding how to apply them, while make attempts at using them.
You're confusing me with you.

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Now given his general audience EVE players he could have very well just replied solely with " EVE is good" "internet space ships pew pew" and "CCP, ISD , CSM" and everyone would cheer in an uproar.
No, I could not, because it would have nothing to do with the topic at hand or with the severe inadequacies of your poll and your argumentation. It also wouldn't have yielded the response you're envisioning. Again, this is just some kind of silly straw man you like pulling out because you are utterly incapable of actually responding to the points I and others have made.

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And I think it's funny he still uses straw man out of context and when I have shown him why he uses it out of context he calls that a straw man.
No, I call that a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term means. What you're doing now, on the other hand — putting words into my mouth because you can't actually address my real point — is a strawman.

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Nope just pick the right target audience and fill your argument with nothing but the improper use of common debate terminologies instead and accuse the person you are arguing with of using them.
Just because you don't know what the words mean does not mean that the rest of us are using them improperly. Same goes with your poll: just because you have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are thoroughly unfamiliar with statistics, probability, polling and sampling methodology does not mean that the arguments we bring up using those fields are incorrect.

Oh, and no, my calling out your fallacies does not constitute improper use. Your reliance on them, however, do. You also have yet to show any such improper use — all you've done so far is show that you don't understand the terms in question. If I were to guess, by the look of it, you tried to look it up on wikipedia and completely misread the condition for success as a condition for use.

The simple fact remains: your poll is irrelevant and fails to fulfil even the rather meaningless purpose you ascribe to it, much less offer any kind of generalisable data.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#247 - 2014-06-30 17:52:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Arcelian wrote:
But I feel that many discussions go beyond a + b, that everything is not black and white, we can't know everything. According to Tippia this is not the case. (another strawman, just my opinion though)
No, that is actually exactly what I'm saying (just as I did in the bot/nerf-local thread). Or, more specifically in this case, that we can't know anything based on the poll polly has provided.

Or, well… we can know one thing: the number of votes it has received. What those votes actually mean or represent is something rather different altogether.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2014-06-30 17:56:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
But I feel that many discussions go beyond a + b, that everything is not black and white, we can't know everything. According to Tippia this is not the case. (another strawman, just my opinion though)
No, that is actually exactly what I'm saying (just as I did in the bot/nerf-local thread). Or, more specifically, that we can't know anything based on the poll polly has provided.
Hmm... not entierly true.

We know polly wasn't paying attention during Statistics class. Probably too busy grinding ISK for her accounts.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#249 - 2014-06-30 17:56:22 UTC
Arcelian wrote:

Tippia argues with the personality of "David" from Prometheus, condescending, cold, and without regard. Quite possibly, the eve forums could have done this to him, couldn't imagine why, it's a lovely place. It's because of this attitude that you WANT him to be wrong. Chances are, splitting hairs, a+b, he's right. Tippia would call what I just said a Strawman. I hope that through all of this he finally gets a brain.

But I feel that many discussions go beyond a + b, that everything is not black and white, we can't know everything. According to Tippia this is not the case. (another strawman, just my opinion though)

However in this discussion you are in the Tippia element, because numbers don't lie, and he's damn good at looking at the numbers.

I wouldn't take it so personally.


I wish everything was black and white

Unfortunately, my rage levels are too high for this to work for me

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#250 - 2014-06-30 17:57:39 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Hmm... not entierly true.

We know polly wasn't paying attention during Statistics class. Probably too busy grinding ISK for her accounts.

Well, sure, I suppose. But that's more a result of his (mis)interpretation of the poll than of the poll itself. P
Arcelian
0nus
#251 - 2014-06-30 17:58:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
But I feel that many discussions go beyond a + b, that everything is not black and white, we can't know everything. According to Tippia this is not the case. (another strawman, just my opinion though)
No, that is actually exactly what I'm saying (just as I did in the bot/nerf-local thread). Or, more specifically, that we can't know anything based on the poll polly has provided.


You have a strange way of saying things sometimes. I guess I would understand better if I had robot eyes. Oops

^^^Ad hominem
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#252 - 2014-06-30 17:58:47 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
But I feel that many discussions go beyond a + b, that everything is not black and white, we can't know everything. According to Tippia this is not the case. (another strawman, just my opinion though)
No, that is actually exactly what I'm saying (just as I did in the bot/nerf-local thread). Or, more specifically, that we can't know anything based on the poll polly has provided.
Hmm... not entierly true.

We know polly wasn't paying attention during Statistics class. Probably too busy grinding ISK for her accounts.

id say "his" accounts, look at that toon

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2014-06-30 18:01:25 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
id say "his" accounts, look at that toon
Hmm you may be right.

But what's he got stuffed in his shirt? A bunch of PLEX?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#254 - 2014-06-30 18:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
id say "his" accounts, look at that toon
Hmm you may be right.

But what's he got stuffed in his shirt? A bunch of PLEX?

statistics and/or debating texts crumpled into balls would be my guess.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#255 - 2014-06-30 18:04:20 UTC
polly papercut wrote:


You guys agreeing with him here out of the 500,000 EVE accounts while i am sure boost his ego, it means absolutely zero. As you guys make up to small of a sample size to make a difference.



I don't know why people say such dumb things as this. The truth of a matter is scientific, not democratic lol. Everyone who plays EVE could agree with you and it wouldn't make you 'right'.

It's also funny how you point out that what people are saying here is irrelevant, because it if it, you have even LESS support here than Tippia, dipping your relativity into negative numbers .
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2014-06-30 18:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: polly papercut
Tippia's way of arguing reminds of of the old school yard tactics of .
"I know you are but what am I"
and
"I'm rubber and your glue what ever you say bounces off from me and sticks to you"

It is freaking hysterical.
Keep it up ole buddy. It have been a wonderful laugh the past few days watching your simple mind at work has brought me amusement.

And let me save you some time Tippia so you do not have to respond.
You call me simple? STRAW MAN

Saying I argue like a small child? ad hominem !!!!!!!!!

Fallacy Fallacy Terms I use but don't understand.
signed Tippia
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#257 - 2014-06-30 18:08:17 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
But I feel that many discussions go beyond a + b, that everything is not black and white, we can't know everything. According to Tippia this is not the case. (another strawman, just my opinion though)
No, that is actually exactly what I'm saying (just as I did in the bot/nerf-local thread). Or, more specifically, that we can't know anything based on the poll polly has provided.
Hmm... not entierly true.

We know polly wasn't paying attention during Statistics class. Probably too busy grinding ISK for her accounts.


Fallacy, because it relies on the assumption to polly ever took a statistics class....or had any schooling at all!

That's right, I just Tippia'd my ass off there Big smile
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#258 - 2014-06-30 18:08:41 UTC
Obsessed much?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#259 - 2014-06-30 18:09:14 UTC
polly papercut wrote:
Tippia's way of arguing reminds of of the old school yard tactics of .
"I know you are but what am I"
and
"I'm rubber and your glue what ever you say bounces off from me and sticks to you"

It is freaking hysterical.
Keep it up ole buddy. It have been a wonderful laugh the past few days watching your simple mind at work has brought me amusement.

And let me save you some time Tippia so you do not have to respond.
You call me simple? STRAW MAN

Saying I argue like a small child? ad hominem !!!!!!!!!

Fallacy Fallacy Terms I use but don't understand.
signed Tippia


Just stopped by to highlight the funny parts.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2014-06-30 18:10:36 UTC
polly papercut wrote:
Tippia's way of arguing reminds of of the old school yard tactics of .
"I know you are but what am I"
and
"I'm rubber and your glue what ever you say bounces off from me and sticks to you"

It is freaking hysterical.
Keep it up ole buddy. It have been a wonderful laugh the past few days watching your simple mind at work has brought me amusement.

And let me save you some time Tippia so you do not have to respond.
You call me simple? STRAW MAN

Saying I argue like a small child? ad hominem !!!!!!!!!

Fallacy Fallacy Terms I use but don't understand.
signed Tippia
Arcelian's parody was funny.

Yours...






...yeah, no.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!