Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would love to see ships with 150 k Armor and resistance of over 90% for each DMG-Type.

Oh wait no i don´t wanna Battleships with Capital EHP. Use a dam Capital if you wanna more EHP.

And which space should they fill?

Let's look at the dessies. Tank, sniping (the won't have increased gun range though, increased lock range and sensor strength) and mobility

Tank is easy on a battle ship. The question is how do you implement this without it being horrifically op OR treading on the toes of marauders. You don't want T3's with 'free' bastion mods otherwise you **** everyone who has ever invested in a t2 battleship.
Here's my suggestion. In normal mode the bs will have slightly higher resists than a t1, but lower than t2.
Going into tank mode boosts these resists to be slightly higher than t2, but increases sig pen and reduces rep amount. (As normal mods don't know how to properly work on the weird sleeper tech?)
You get yourself a powerful battleship with a different dynamic to marauders, less capable of sig tanking but having a mobility that they don't provide. It would lessen the blow of ancillary reps and mean these ships if built this way would rely on buffer tanks(plus logi, but logi reps would also be cut in effectiveness )

Sniping. I am against the idea of them needing this. Instead I propose a racial mode in this slot to deal with each of the racial weapon types.
Cal would gain a bonus to cruise and torp launchers, rof and explosion radius maybe. With the new increase to speed/minus to range thing they have been doing as of late.
Gel gaining a bonus to hybrids, traversal and damage maybe with a bit of falloff bonus perhaps?
Min a bonus to projectiles, falloff and traversal.
Amarr a bonus to lasers, unsure what to give here (never flown amarr)

All in all they should have around 7/8 effective weapons. Maybe with gel pushing the top (but sacrificing speed because of their armour tank)

And mobility, giving the ships a boost in prop mod strength, maybe a cool down reduction on mjd's and an increase in agility.

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Just a suggestion, feel free to poke and change (tried to keep numbers out of it to limit racial bias, my ideas for the cal weapon systems are probably the most fleshed out cause I started off as a cal pilot)

And an answer to a question you might ask - why no drones for gal?
I don't want the bs to step on the toes of the Ishtar or the domi, I think a t3 drone battleship might even make carriers slightly obsolete if they aren't handled correctly at the balancing stage so I think it's better safe than sorry.

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Sorry for the long post, have a potato

Ah...no. T3 is not supposed to be superior to T2.

2013(!) Ship balance chart.




So with it established that T3 is not supposed to be superior to T2, can we we wait on..

a) The transforming T3 dessies to actually come out so we can see how they work (or not, as the case may be)

b) Re-balancing of T3 cruisers such that they actually even remotely fit their place in the balancing chart.

Before we suggest adding any more T3 ideas?

At this point, I think any requests to add T3 anything are kind of moot. Let's see what CCP has in mind for the T3 Destroyers first.

Also, to all the folks saying that T3 is supposed to be better than T2...you're all wrong. T3 is more flexible than T2, not necessarily better than T2. They can seem better than T2 when you combine certain configurations, but if T3 were strictly better than T2 we would be hearing complaints about "Proteus Online" instead of "Ishtar Online".

Not even that hard. Set Rig Slots = 0, give HACs and Recons their balance pass. Assess T3 EHP at that point and reduce as necessary.

It is still broken, and now doubly so, as the rigs would continue to exist on current t3s, but you can no longer match them with newly built ships, so the veterans have an insuperable advantage, the armor buffer subsystems continue to increase the performance of some already powerful modules like 1600 plates well beyond their performance anywhere else, and synergize too well with slaves. To get the same sort of EHP multiplying effect any other way takes a 7.5% bonus to resists per level from the minmatar t2 shield resist line.

Modular ships could be retained as the strategic series of t3s. Then have tactical t3s with modes, and maybe one other style of t3 ship with an third method of achieving flexibility. This means you can split frigates, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships and only have one overlap if each style got 2 lines of hulls, or you could introduce a set of t3 capital ships (bad idea IMO, but hey, if someone proposes it and has a balanced proposal, it is worth discussing).

This makes for a fairly close to unique setup, as a modular cruiser and modular battleship will be wildly different in flavor and usage, while using a similar mechanism. Same for say a mode-switching destroyer and battlecruiser, with the third method of achieving a flexibility and multi-role setup is frigates only, and these share a fairly high level of basic skills needed to train but perform well when well fit.

Also, a deep deployment PvP ship which is suitable to long term back area harrasment is possible with the stuff I am working on but haven't yet released in the subsystem proposal. The Amarrian ship would truely clean up at this.

It's impossible to balance them. If they're strong, they're going to be the go-to ship like the Tengu/Prot/Napoc/Fleetpest. If they have an inhibitor, like bastion module, they're going to be superior marauders. If they're weak, nobody will fly them. We're eve players. If there is one config better than the others, which there will be, we will find it.

And we will make our alliances train into it.

Finished the subsystems and initial balance on the minmatar proposal. an example of the whole subsystem load and subsequent stats is below, and the links in the OP have all of them.

Finished examples of a Tyr

Tyr: shield missile brawler, roaming

Minmatar Flagship bonus:
7.5% reduction in heat generated /lvl

Role bonus:
-25% to remote energy, shield and armor transfer effects

Offensive subsystem:
Target Focusing Array:
6%/lvl target painter effectiveness
3%/lvl cruise, torp and RHML effectiveness
5%/lvl missile explosion radius

Defensive subsystem:
Gravitic Shear Controller:
4%/lvl shield resist bonus

Propulsion Subsystem:
Hyper-spatial Bore:
7.5%/lvl to warp speed

Electronics Subsystem:
Immobility drivers:
20% /lvl to web range

Engineering Subsystem:
Solar Sails:
5%/lvl to capacitor recharge rate
3%/lvl to Neut/nos Reflection rate

Slot layout:7H, 6M, 7L ; 5 turrets , 7 launchers
Fittings: 18500 (23125) PWG, 700 (875) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8500/ 7250 / 6500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 6500Mj (8125Mj) / 520s (292.5s) / 12.5 (27.77)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 99 (123.75) / .138 / 113,000,000.00 / 16.98s (13.08s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 85
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 78km (97.5km)/ 85 (106)/ 7
Sensor strength: 19 Ladar
Signature radius: 455

Numbers in parens are all skills 5, including subsystem bonuses

Curious, has anyone actually looked at the google docs stuff?