EVE General Discussion

For null exploration any of the t1 exploration frigs work, heron, imicus etc and can be fit for under 5m. Your best bet is to scan a wh and find the deepest darkest section of null you can get to, and start exploring. There are no rats in null/low exploration sites. There are rats in wh exploration sites

If you want to rat in a wh... Pretty much don't they are only worth it in a c5+ with dreads and carriers. If your insistent on trying it c2 can be done in a battleship or t3, c4s require a team usually a couple spider tanking tengus

Never ratted in null but i think to do it properly you're best joining a blob alliance in blue sec. Probably a bs or t3 for this as well.

Just to double check here, as I have never used a wormhole, it is basically just to jump in and see what is on the other side, correct? That is to say that you dont really know where the wormhole leads until you go, right?

Isnt the lack of a proper cloak going to make this significantly more risky? Or is that not that big of a deal? I wouldnt mind paying more money if it is better suited and harder to track down, which I would seem to think would be my main problem. Also, what do I do for cargo space?

There are ways to know but they are far to difficult to explain. Check the eveuni page for details on colours and text meanings.

What happens when you jump in is you will end up in wh space, basically a whole lot of nothing. You will then need to scan down connecting whs and continue jumping until you find one that leads to deep null sec. Sites like wormhol.es make this much easier as it shows you what statics are connected.

A covert cloak isn't that important, sure it helps to be able to recloak faster and warp cloaked but any old cloak will do. The t2 exploration frigs are good and cheapish if you can fly them, t3s are always sweet and with the new mobile fitting units you can run a bunch of stuff not just relic/data sites, wouldn't risk a t3 for learning though as you probably will end up with the pod express from your first trip.

Don't worry about storage datacores, salvage and blueprints are super light

I don't know why people feel the need to jump all over someone asking for help breaking out of level 4 grinding

Anyway, if you're going to start wormholing do it in an empty clone, just in case you get stuck. Some wormhole exits collapse due to mass restrictions forcing you to scan your way out, and the exits might be somewhere tricky to get out of safely. If you're in an empty clone or a cheap ship, tbh there's little risk.

I know you're asking for direction re ISK-making, or a progression from level 4s, but see it as 'entertainment' activities as well as ISK/ph and treat the risk as part of that. You don't have to turn into an elite PVPer overnight, it's more about learning to not be an easy target. Re what you were asking earlier about ships - you don't need super expensive ships to try riskier activities (Blackops for example aren't really PVE ships). Just be alert to your surroundings, and if you're determined to play solo, get a scouting alt.

Btw there are channels ingame you can join to chat with other people and ask for help/advice. It's worth just popping into the game channels and people can direct you to player-run chats for Incursions/Explo/WHs etc.

gl ;)

From previous experience, ingame chating for advice on where to go ends up being a trap 95% of the time, and I have lost a handful of ships based on "advice," so I prefer to ask things on the forum, lol. Same reason why I no longer salvage for others.

That is because you do not understand what he wants to avoid.
What he wants to avoid is adrenaline. For many people adrenaline feels good. For others it feels bad, sometimes very bad. (for example, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmHhrb-UNbE). Such players adjust their game play to avoid any and all situations that could trigger the release of adrenaline. Your suggestions for doing things that are exciting are exactly what he is not looking for.

To the OP: all industry related things. Mining with multiple accounts, building stuff, running a POS and doing research and invention.

A good reliable (but boring) losec income source is PI especially if you find a quiet unoccupied area of 0.1 to 0.3.

If you can afford to throw one or two PLEX at the two free alts on your account with enough SP to have 5 planets each, the ability to fly an Epithal and an Astero and some cloaking skills (plus give your main 4 or 5 losec planets as well) its quite easy to pull anywhere from 300 mill (extractors moved weekly, collect once a month) up to 1.5 bill (updating and collecting almost daily) a month.

1. Join a corp that does regular mining ops.

2. Find their expensive Orca or freighter.

3. Point it and shoot it until it's in half structure.

4. Demand 300-400 million ISK ransom to let said ship live.

4a. Blow Orca up anyhow. (Optional, but very therapeutic and highly recommended.)


You can pretty easily do this once a week on a character with <1 weeks training so long as you have a neutral logi. (t1/meta logi is more than adequate.)