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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2011-11-20 00:36:36 UTC
Taedrin wrote:

Note to everyone in this thread:

"Vegetable" is a culinary term.
"Fruit" is a botanical term.

They are *NOT* mutually exclusive. Examples:

Tomatoes are both a vegetable and a fruit
Squash is both a vegetable and a fruit
Peas are both a vegetable and a fruit
Eggplant is both a vegetable and a fruit
and there are probably dozens of other examples.

When you have a complicated food made out of several ingredients, it can be considered to cover multiple food groups. For example, lasagna counts as a serving of dairy (cheese) meat (sausage) grain (pasta) and even vegetables (tomatoes, and other vegetables added such as spinach or onions).

Of course, investigating if the tomato sauce on a slice of pizza really does constitute a serving of vegetables would probably be warranted. But the idea isn't so outrageous.






This + a food made of a combination of ingredients is a 'serving' of multiple food groups. No one actually called pizza a vegetable except the media. Congress does not think it grows on trees or that they need to subsidize more pizza farms. It's just that the food does include a serving worth of vegetable, grain, and dairy.

Issue gone.

Please move on with your lives.

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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-20 03:17:43 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Taedrin wrote:

Note to everyone in this thread:

"Vegetable" is a culinary term.
"Fruit" is a botanical term.

They are *NOT* mutually exclusive. Examples:

Tomatoes are both a vegetable and a fruit
Squash is both a vegetable and a fruit
Peas are both a vegetable and a fruit
Eggplant is both a vegetable and a fruit
and there are probably dozens of other examples.

When you have a complicated food made out of several ingredients, it can be considered to cover multiple food groups. For example, lasagna counts as a serving of dairy (cheese) meat (sausage) grain (pasta) and even vegetables (tomatoes, and other vegetables added such as spinach or onions).

Of course, investigating if the tomato sauce on a slice of pizza really does constitute a serving of vegetables would probably be warranted. But the idea isn't so outrageous.






This + a food made of a combination of ingredients is a 'serving' of multiple food groups. No one actually called pizza a vegetable except the media. Congress does not think it grows on trees or that they need to subsidize more pizza farms. It's just that the food does include a serving worth of vegetable, grain, and dairy.

Issue gone.

Please move on with your lives.


Listen, no one actually thought the congress literally declared pizza a vegetable (just that they are stupid and greedy enough to do it). The point is that the people know what pizza is actually made of and at least roughly the quantities of the ingredients.
Meaning everyone is quite aware of it that pizza contains so miniscule amounts of anything vegetable-like or fruit-like, that they may as well have declared that pizza is a vegetable. Not to mention that the rule that anything served must contain a vegetable dish obviously was meant for the health of the kids, and then saying pizza is fine because: hey, vegetables! is among the most ridiculous decisions made by any halfway sane person imaginable.

You might be able to lawyer your way out of it, but it doesn´t change the fact that the legislation of the USA just got caught sodomizing logic, reason and what was left of their own dignity.
Probably just to make sure everyone living in the US can be sure he is governed by idiots, in case he didn´t knew already. And this is still kind of an issue, because... you know, you are governed by them.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-11-20 05:21:22 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
You might be able to lawyer your way out of it, but it doesn´t change the fact that the legislation of the USA just got caught sodomizing logic, reason and what was left of their own dignity.
Probably just to make sure everyone living in the US can be sure he is governed by idiots, in case he didn´t knew already. And this is still kind of an issue, because... you know, you are governed by them.


Was this blurb of rabid stupidity supposed to have a point?
Your sensationalist rants do not make you correct.

Once again, you have made a very personal decision to view this at a scale that makes them look stupid. Chosing not to understand the classification, choosing not to understand the proportion, choosing not to view the decision in context.

Take your conditions away and in context of what the school lunch program is, a system to provide basic lunches as cheaply as possible, it makes perfect sense to acknowledge a serving of a vegetable for what it is and you're the only one who looks stupid.

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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-11-20 05:56:57 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
You might be able to lawyer your way out of it, but it doesn´t change the fact that the legislation of the USA just got caught sodomizing logic, reason and what was left of their own dignity.
Probably just to make sure everyone living in the US can be sure he is governed by idiots, in case he didn´t knew already. And this is still kind of an issue, because... you know, you are governed by them.


Was this blurb of rabid stupidity supposed to have a point?
Your sensationalist rants do not make you correct.

Once again, you have made a very personal decision to view this at a scale that makes them look stupid. Chosing not to understand the classification, choosing not to understand the proportion, choosing not to view the decision in context.

Take your conditions away and in context of what the school lunch program is, a system to provide basic lunches as cheaply as possible, it makes perfect sense to acknowledge a serving of a vegetable for what it is and you're the only one who looks stupid.


My point: the us congress is a bunch of greedy morons and apparently so are you.
Until now they at least pretended they knew what they are doing, now they aren´t even put up that much effort.
My proof: they have made a decision that defines a pizza as a vegetable dish and you are defending a decision that defines pizza as a vegetable dish.

Your talk about classification, proportion and context is just trying to look not quite as the moron you made out of yourself thanks to defending that decision. Because applying any or all of the criteria does nothing to change the fact that this is wrong and ridiculous and the US congress can´t be even relied on to not screw up in the simpliest of matters.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-11-20 06:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Not dish, serving.

A serving of tomato is only half a cup chopped. Two table spoons of tomato paste is more than enough to be a serving, and tomato in this sense is a vegetable... for the third or fourth time now...

I'm sorry you have this mental block where nothing can make sense unless the government employees involved are idiots, which means when they do something correct your brain implodes, but when (if) you get past it I'm sure you'll see that nothing here deserves the rancor you're pouring into it.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch
Sturmwolke
#26 - 2011-11-20 08:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Not dish, serving.
A serving of tomato is only half a cup chopped. Two table spoons of tomato paste is more than enough to be a serving, and tomato in this sense is a vegetable... for the third or fourth time now...


By that logic, I propose that the US Congress start proposing the indomitable ketchup as a vegetable.
It is after all, ubiquitously used in a lot of foods ... burgers, fries etc etc. everyday. So there's more than enough serving per person.

To save cost in school lunches, add ketchup to everything.
Breakfast, lunches, dinner and supper should all include ketchup as a vegetable.
A monument should be built to remind people that "ketchup" is the No.1 healthy vegetable that will promote your well-being.

Edit: Waait... I think we can get them to pass chocolate as a vegetable/fruit too. It's made from cocoa beans, so technically it's a fruit.
This is sooo easssy.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-11-20 08:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Sturmwolke wrote:
By that logic, I propose that the US Congress start proposing the indomitable ketchup as a vegetable.
It is after all, ubiquitously used in a lot of foods ... burgers, fries etc etc. everyday. So there's more than enough serving per person.


'By that logic' as opposed to what other logic? The one where you cast a magic spell by chanting PIZZA PIZZA PIZZA and tomato sauce is no longer made of tomato? That's cute.



Ketchup is the opposite of tomato sauce. It's thinned instead of reduced. You'd need a lot more to make a serving of a vegetable, and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you'd have to watch the sugar level to stick to some other guide lines.... making low-sugar ketchup is probably a deal breaker on the cost side but if you really want to push that idea to the grind stone it's not impossible.

I can see this adding a vegetable serving to meatloaf. Don't they cover that in a ton of ketchup as part of making it? Low or no sugar ketchup, lots of it, and still within cost margin and you would indeed have a vegetable serving.



Sturmwolke wrote:
Edit: Waait... I think we can get them to pass chocolate as a vegetable/fruit too. It's made from cocoa beans, so technically it's a fruit.
This is sooo easssy.


You missed the previous thread on the old boards. The Chocolate Milk already counts as a serving of almost everything. They don't tell you this, but it also counts as fiber because of the carton!







Okay now I'm just having fun. Bear

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Sturmwolke
#28 - 2011-11-20 09:37:09 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
All jokes aside, ketchup is the opposite of tomato sauce. It's thinned instead of reduced. You'd need a lot more to make a serving of a vegetable, and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you'd have to watch the sugar level to stick to some other guide lines.... making low-sugar ketchup is probably a deal breaker on the cost side but if you really want to push that idea to the grind stone it's not impossible.

So, wouldn't that make your tomato sauce the opposite of a real tomato?
Eh!?? ... so why are they calling tomato sauce a vegetable again?

By the way, how do you know your "tomato sauce" is made from 100% tomato?
I can fully guarantee that a real fresh tomato is 100% tomato .... barring insidious doppleganger plants/substitition.
Would you be able to provide full guarantee for your "tomato sauce"?

Another thing. Low sugar ketchup? For what?
You're supposed to encourage the next generation to eat healthy vegetables so that they can carry your legacies well.
If sugar will do that, then you should add it as much as you can. The most important thing in the world is that everyone gets their serving of vegetables (US Congress version).
If sugar's too expensive, then add HFCS.

VKhaun Vex wrote:
I can see this adding a vegetable serving to meatloaf. Don't they cover that in a ton of ketchup as part of making it? Low or no sugar ketchup, lots of it, and still within cost margin and you would indeed have a vegetable serving.

Sure, go for it.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-11-20 09:43:06 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:

So, wouldn't that make your tomato sauce the opposite of a real tomato?
Eh!?? ... so why are they calling tomato sauce a vegetable again?

Read the thread...

Sturmwolke wrote:

By the way, how do you know your "tomato sauce" is made from 100% tomato?
I can fully guarantee that a real fresh tomato is 100% tomato .... barring insidious doppleganger plants/substitition.
Would you be able to provide full guarantee for your "tomato sauce"?

Doesn't have to be 100% tomato, just has to have a serving of tomato in it. Just like bread has salt, yeast, etc and is still a grain. But now we're getting silly and you should be able to answer that for yourself.


Quote:
and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you'd have to watch the sugar level to stick to some other guide lines...

Sturmwolke wrote:
Another thing. Low sugar ketchup? For what?


Reading comprehension fail. I think you should have paid less attention to your lunch and more attention to your lessons in school yesterday.

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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-20 10:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sebastian N Cain
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Not dish, serving.

A serving of tomato is only half a cup chopped. Two table spoons of tomato paste is more than enough to be a serving, and tomato in this sense is a vegetable... for the third or fourth time now...

I'm sorry you have this mental block where nothing can make sense unless the government employees involved are idiots, which means when they do something correct your brain implodes, but when (if) you get past it I'm sure you'll see that nothing here deserves the rancor you're pouring into it.

Ah, now i get it. You are a government employee, and since you are involved in this you try not to look like an idiot.
Sorry, but you failed, you just made it worse. Because before you came everyone was quite sure your employer made an idiot out of himself because he got some money out of it.

But reading your nonsense makes clear that you actually are believing the crap that you are talking out of your ass.

I feel so sorry for the gene pool of humanity right now, having to put up with such bull...

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Sturmwolke
#31 - 2011-11-20 11:36:06 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:

So, wouldn't that make your tomato sauce the opposite of a real tomato?
Eh!?? ... so why are they calling tomato sauce a vegetable again?

Read the thread...

Please point to the exact post please.
I'd like to understand more.

VKhaun Vex wrote:
Doesn't have to be 100% tomato, just has to have a serving of tomato in it. Just like bread has salt, yeast, etc and is still a grain. But now we're getting silly and you should be able to answer that for yourself.

Ok. Great.
So ketchup is a vegetable after all.
If anyone says it doesn't actually carry a vegetable serving, don't worry ... the label says it has tomatoes in it.

VKhaun Vex wrote:
Reading comprehension fail. I think you should have paid less attention to your lunch and more attention to your lessons in school yesterday.

Nope. It addresses the guidelines you mentioned, which I'll assume has something to do with health.
Sugar is good if it gets you to eat more vegetable servings.
Costwise, you can get folks to just eat ketchup with bread or toast. It's cheaper overall.
You'll save more money in the longterm for other more important uses.

So, is there a point to those guidelines being there?
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-11-21 00:57:46 UTC
I don't remember there being much tomato sauce on our school pizzas. They were mostly a veneer of cheese covering some bits of ground beef on a thin rectangular patty of bread. There was sauce, but not enough to classify it as a vegetable.

They were surprisingly tastey, though, but that might just be because everything else (except the burritos) was terrible.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2011-11-21 01:54:25 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
I don't remember there being much tomato sauce on our school pizzas. They were mostly a veneer of cheese covering some bits of ground beef on a thin rectangular patty of bread. There was sauce, but not enough to classify it as a vegetable.

They were surprisingly tastey, though, but that might just be because everything else (except the burritos) was terrible.


Mine always had too much sauce and the cheese would just slide right off. Might explain why people get freaked out about it though, YMMV kind of thing.

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Maxsim Goratiev
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-11-21 02:24:20 UTC
we aren't far behind, EU just declared that you can no longer say that water prevents dehydration.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-11-21 03:06:22 UTC
Maxsim Goratiev wrote:
we aren't far behind, EU just declared that you can no longer say that water prevents dehydration.


I thought this was a joke until I googled it.

I got nothing for that one... wow...

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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-11-21 07:49:07 UTC
Maxsim Goratiev wrote:
we aren't far behind, EU just declared that you can no longer say that water prevents dehydration.


You know, slowly and surely i get the suspicion, they are intentionally making fun of us.

Governments:
"yeah, our nations are nearly bankrupt and your jobs and currencies are this close from getting burned. And now you want us something to do about it? Tell you what, we decided just because of fukk you that pizza is now a vegetable and water doesn´t help against dehydration. Eat this!"Cool

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2011-11-21 11:41:58 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Not dish, serving.
A serving of tomato is only half a cup chopped. Two table spoons of tomato paste is more than enough to be a serving, and tomato in this sense is a vegetable... for the third or fourth time now...


By that logic, I propose that the US Congress start proposing the indomitable ketchup as a vegetable.
It is after all, ubiquitously used in a lot of foods ... burgers, fries etc etc. everyday. So there's more than enough serving per person.

To save cost in school lunches, add ketchup to everything.
Breakfast, lunches, dinner and supper should all include ketchup as a vegetable.
A monument should be built to remind people that "ketchup" is the No.1 healthy vegetable that will promote your well-being.

Edit: Waait... I think we can get them to pass chocolate as a vegetable/fruit too. It's made from cocoa beans, so technically it's a fruit.
This is sooo easssy.


IIRC, ketchup was declared a vegetable for the purposes of school meals during the Reagan administration.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-11-21 14:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
The only healthy pizza you'll find is in Italy. You can eat it every day and not get fat because it's not made out of greasy bread and subpar ingredients like American pizza. If American pizza were made out of pasta instead of bread, it wouldn't be as bad for you.

It's simply pasta and fresh vegetables, meats, and cheeses. Also, tomato paste =/= pomodoro. That's just what it is: paste. It's like glue and it tastes like crap. In fact, tomato sauce isn't even pomodoro...it's a bunch of crap thrown in with a tomato or two and it too tastes like crap. It's like ketchup.

A real tomato sauce is something like ragu' contadina or ragu' bolognese. To put it simply, if you have to buy tomato sauce in a can or a jar, you're already behind the curve.

That doesn't mean that American pizza is bad, per se, it just means that it's really bad for you. It doesn't matter if Congress declared it a ******* drink, it's still bad for you. In fact, it's illegal here to serve to kids what American schools serve.

You're all debating over whether or not it's viable when it shouldn't even be allowed for human consumption in the first place.
Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#39 - 2011-11-22 00:08:11 UTC
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
The US Congress has now decided that pizza is a vegetable. Because of the tomato paste. Which is made from a fruit....

What?... What?What?What?

*head explodes*


I'm amazed that congress is capable of changing the nature of a food item. Next you know, they'll be stopping global warming by means of a popular vote.


y u no stop teh debt? Ugh
Sturmwolke
#40 - 2011-11-22 11:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
Malcanis wrote:
IIRC, ketchup was declared a vegetable for the purposes of school meals during the Reagan administration.


It was never implemented as a policy if what I'm reading is correct.
They need to classify ketchup as a vegetable before even thinking about tomato paste on a pizza.
You know, not putting cart before the horse Smile

Think of the wunnerful possibilities with ketchup!
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