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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#61 - 2014-06-26 11:11:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Rek Seven wrote:


Weak... That's like saying when i drive to work in the morning it's just like competing in the Formula 1.

The OP was talking specifically about competitive arena style PVP with strict parameters and rules. If that has no place in eve, then alliance tournament shouldn't exist.


God is it possible to NOT argue with the Devs and tell them THEIR game isnt wrong ALL THE *) TIME

If you dont like it, GTFO


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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-06-26 11:25:31 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
We have an arena for PvP. It's called New Eden.

Whether it's flexing the muscles of your industrial might, waging war for resources or territorial control, playing a propaganda war or killing people and taking their stuff because you want what they have, or just because you can, the competition is out there.

EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.

Even more will fall in the future, and they'll be replaced by fresh blood as alliances and corporations rise and fall.

Such is life and the passage of time. The fight continues.

Log in and compete.

Blink







I JUST CAME THREE TIMES.







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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#63 - 2014-06-26 11:28:40 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
We have an arena for PvP. It's called New Eden.

Whether it's flexing the muscles of your industrial might, waging war for resources or territorial control, playing a propaganda war or killing people and taking their stuff because you want what they have, or just because you can, the competition is out there.

EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.

Even more will fall in the future, and they'll be replaced by fresh blood as alliances and corporations rise and fall.

Such is life and the passage of time. The fight continues.

Log in and compete.

Blink






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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#64 - 2014-06-26 11:36:08 UTC
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

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Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-06-26 12:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Grunanca
Rek Seven wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
We have an arena for PvP. It's called New Eden.

Whether it's flexing the muscles of your industrial might, waging war for resources or territorial control, playing a propaganda war or killing people and taking their stuff because you want what they have, or just because you can, the competition is out there.

EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.

Even more will fall in the future, and they'll be replaced by fresh blood as alliances and corporations rise and fall.

Such is life and the passage of time. The fight continues.

Log in and compete.

Blink





Weak... That's like saying when i drive to work in the morning it's just like competing in the Formula 1.

The OP was talking specifically about competitive arena style PVP with strict parameters and rules. If that has no place in eve, then alliance tournament shouldn't exist.


Alliance turnament is hardly a part of EVE as you a transported to a system noone can go to in the game. If you want arena PvP, make an arena and buy the prices yourself. Now you can make all the ranked pvp you can, and you can give all the rewards you can afford.

If you are not good at hiding where you are, too bad someone will prob come and ruin it. If you buy enough scan inhibitors, people wont bother to scan your turnament down.

I have been in player made arenas countless times as part of NEO and AT training, its really not that hard to make!
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-06-26 13:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Grunanca wrote:

I have been in player made arenas countless times as part of NEO and AT training, its really not that hard to make!


Exactly. If it's not hard and people are asking for it, why not implement official arenas? People have been asking for it ever since i started playing.

Right now i couldn't care less but i'm openminded enough to see how some people would like such a feature and that it would probably hugely benefit this game, especially in teaching new players how eve ship on ship combat works.

If alliance tournament is not a part of eve then neither is the metagame or third party development...

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#67 - 2014-06-26 13:14:52 UTC
I always find it odd how some people are yet they choose to play a game like this.

Here we have a game where you can EASILY hold your own events, make your own 'tournaments' and 'areans'. I've been in a number of slef made corp and alliance tournaments, once won a Cynabal in such a tourney while i was in a Raiden Corp.

And it's still not good enough. It doesn't matter that you can do it for yourself with nothing more than the agreement of at least 1 other player and 2 frigates that fully fit still cost less isk than you'd make in a single lvl 3 mission. Do lvl 4s and you can chunk cruisers at each other all day.

No, someone else (CCP, mom and dad, society, your boss at work, the 'gubment', whoever) has to do if for you. IMO These are the same kinds of people who call EVE expansions 'patchspansions' and such because rather than delivering 'Jesus Feature' content they fix the game in much more valuable ways (tiercide) and add more tools with which to interact with this sandbox game.

EVE is a sandbox game. Sandbox to me means 'figure it out for yourself already'. On a side note I also noticed that the OP came complete with a touch of "think of the children" what with all the "hey, lets make arenas for new players" stuff.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-06-26 13:16:54 UTC
Jenn just said what I was gonna say, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Why do you need CCP to hold your hand for you? You want events and arenas? Then host them yourself. Hell, let me know when you do, I'll throw down.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-06-26 13:20:44 UTC
That just reminded me.....

you certainly wouldn't be the first player hosting an event I've participated in.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#70 - 2014-06-26 13:22:50 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:


Exactly. If it's not hard and people are asking for it, why not implement official arenas? People have been asking for it ever since i started playing.


If people asked for panda bears with space wings, would that be a good idea?

Ideas have to stand on their own merits. This idea is bad, on it's own merits.

The people asking for arenas are asking for a 'short cut to pvp' or pvp on demand. EVE isn't about instant gratification, if you want pvp, go out and make it happen, either by roaming, picking fights, and meeting people and setting up duels/tournaments.


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Right now i couldn't care less but i'm openminded enough to see how some people would like such a feature and that it would probably hugely benefit this game, especially in teaching new players how eve ship on ship combat works.


People would also like indestructible ships, no non-consensual pvp in high sec and other such un-EVE-like nonsense. Just because people want it doesn't make it good.

And if new players want to learn ship on ship combat, they should learn it the same way the rest of us did for the last 11 years: jump in a ship, shoot the wrong person, die in a space-fire and repeat till you stop dying. If a player needs hand holding in this aspect of the game, he probably shouldn't be playing EVE to begin with.

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If alliance tournament is not a part of eve then neither is the metagame or third party development...


The AT is a sporting Event. CCP aslo does other live events. That doesn't mean that they should have to do EVERYTHING for us, those are just nice perks they give.

What you are asking for is a whole different animal, and it's something the game doesn't need.

Quote:

If someone posts something that is unconstructive and derails the thread, i reserve my right to disagree whether it's a dev post or not.


You have every right to disagree with the truth. What this particular DEV posted amounts to "you can already do this" which is the truth.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-06-26 13:24:59 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Grunanca wrote:

I have been in player made arenas countless times as part of NEO and AT training, its really not that hard to make!


Exactly. If it's not hard and people are asking for it, why not implement official arenas? People have been asking for it ever since i started playing.

Right now i couldn't care less but i'm openminded enough to see how some people would like such a feature and that it would probably hugely benefit this game, especially in teaching new players how eve ship on ship combat works.

If alliance tournament is not a part of eve then neither is the metagame or third party development...

If someone posts something that is unconstructive and derails the thread, i reserve my right to disagree whether it's a dev post or not.


I'm with Katee Sakhoff on this one.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-06-26 13:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

What is wrong with CCP supporting/promoting new forms of PVP and what would official arena support take away from the game?

We have war decs to to help control when and where we engage people. Official arena support is kind of the same thing. Asking for an official system to enable us to create content t that appeals to more people is not the same as wanting CCP to hand-hold.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#73 - 2014-06-26 14:03:28 UTC
I have a cool idea to add to this. Perhaps after our ship blows up our ghost pod can fly back to the site of battle where our ship is returned to us fully intact.

No good deed goes unpunished

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-06-26 14:17:11 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
We have an arena for PvP. It's called New Eden.

Whether it's flexing the muscles of your industrial might, waging war for resources or territorial control, playing a propaganda war or killing people and taking their stuff because you want what they have, or just because you can, the competition is out there.

EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.

Even more will fall in the future, and they'll be replaced by fresh blood as alliances and corporations rise and fall.

Such is life and the passage of time. The fight continues.

Log in and compete.

Blink





You are my favorite
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-06-26 14:31:14 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
What is wrong with CCP supporting/promoting new forms of PVP and what would official arena support take away from the game?
They already have, it's called Alliance Tournament.

Third-parties have also developed ranking systems, such as Battleclinic. I don't think Battleclinic's rating system is public, but I believe it's a combination of number and class of ships involved in each killmail.

What other 'official arena' do you think is needed and how would it work? Please be specific.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#76 - 2014-06-26 14:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

Quote:

What is wrong with CCP supporting/promoting new forms of PVP and what would official arena support take away from the game?


What's wrong with CCP spending time and money to make something for lazy players that they can already do for themselves? There, i just answered your question.

As for what it takes away from the game? It takes away the pvp. With areans, instead of interpid capsuleer venturing forth into the darkness to fight for fame and glory, they would be too bust playing 'Jita Gladiator' in the dome. In EVE, PEOPLE are content, you want them flying around various parts of space making things happen, not sitting on one place doing pre-made 'fap' content.

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We have war decs to to help control when and where we engage people. Official arena support is kind of the same thing. Asking for an official system to enable us to create content t that appeals to more people is not the same as wanting CCP to hand-hold.


Yes it is. Players already have all the tools needed to make content, those tools being "a game client, guns and spaceships".

This thread is no different than that "EVE needs better PVE" threads. It's composed of uncreative, lazy, entitled people who want game DEVs to play the game for them in the 'name of the children' (new players).

There are 2 types of people in the world, DOers, and people who expect others to do the heavy lifting (and thinking). What if the people who made EVE University (a player run group that takes in new people and teaches them the ropes), RvB, Brave Newbies and all the other groups thought like you?

They'd have done nothing but beg CCP and all the players they've helped over the years would be playing other games.

If you want someone to teach new players how to fight Rek, TEACH them. What are you waiting for?
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-06-26 14:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
What is wrong with CCP supporting/promoting new forms of PVP and what would official arena support take away from the game?
They already have, it's called Alliance Tournament.

Third-parties have also developed ranking systems, such as Battleclinic. I don't think Battleclinic's rating system is public, but I believe it's a combination of number and class of ships involved in each killmail.

What other 'official arena' do you think is needed and how would it work? Please be specific.


I don't necessarily think it's "needed" i just think it would be a fun addition to the game.

I'm fully aware that i could get a bunch of guys together and say "let's have a tournament. Winner gets plex" but such an arrangement has problems that official arena support could overcome.

How do i see it working?

Not that i'm a developer but off the top of my head...

There could be certain systems that contain arenas. You go to a station in these system and sign up to an arena fight that can be anything from a single 1 v 1 to a tournament of 10 v 10 teams. You fly to the designated arena and wait for your fight to start.

Other players could bet on the outcome of a fight and when the fight is over, the winner gets cut of the isk betted.

Th fights could be viewed either on grid, on the billboards in space or on the tv screen in captains quarters.

Leaderboards could be created that show the stats and achievements of individual players or teams.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#78 - 2014-06-26 15:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
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Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.



That said, as this thread is more a proposal for a new game feature as opposed to a discussion piece, it gets a lock.
I could have moved it to the Features & Ideas Discussion part of the forum, but as similar proposals have been brought up there numerous times, it would get instantly locked for redundancy.

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