EVE General Discussion

How does anything you say stop 'big alliances' from just leaving alts with supers in every corner of EVE?

That's why the whole 'power projection' thing is a scape goat. Since 2009 I've been in Atlas, IT alliance, Against All Authorities, Raiden, NCDot, Initiative Mercenaries and TEST. In all that time i've been in exactly 2 "cross the universe" fleets in a carrier, both times to get to a super capital fight/Titan kill (never because "oh look, some small guy took a system").

Listening to some of you, you'd think it happens every time a 'small group' steps foot in null sec. It reminds me of my mission running days (2007-8) when every carebear in my corp claimed that EVERY entrance into null and low sec was camped 24/7 so why bother even trying to go there. Imagine my surprise when i actually went to low and null and rarely encountered a gate camp. Some myths are hard to dispel it seems.

I'm willing to bet isk right now that the OP's 'small group' (if he has one, can't tell, NPC alt) has never even tried to claim sov anywhere.

Why? What would that achieve?

It would make it a plausible tactic to attack different fronts simultaneously. Also, you argue as if every big alliance out there has the capabilities as fx. PL.

Spreading supers thin is a huge upgrade imo.

Because you dont think super powers should exist, right?

You dont believe the game should be able to simulate geopolitical power struggles between huge empires?

Please refrain from assuming something is broken because you dont feel it fits with your view of how the universe should work

Then please do enlighten me as to the purpose of your proposed changes if not that

And how long do they stay "spread thin".

Ah, you think that people won't jkust build more supers. You are thus repeating the "CCP Titan Mistake"

When CCP made Titans they thought that because they were so expensive and took so long to build, no one would ever have a lot of them, they would be 'flag ships' and 'mobil stations' etc etc.

The underestimated players ability to think outside the box when it comes to gathering resources and capital. At the end of the day there were so many titans that CCP had to nerf the beejesus out of them just to keep the game from becoming Titans-Online. Many of us in null remember the evil that was the 500/mil per hour Titan w/tracking link scimitar escort in Anomalies.lol. Titans (with AOE DDs that destroyed whole fleets) weren't just horrors of pvp, they owned PVE too.

Same thing here.

If you create the problem that "big empires" just need to have super-capital forces placed in strategic locations (because they can no longer just easily jump existing supers where they need to go), they'll just buy up or train up as many 'strategic alts' as they need, build as many supers as they need, and maintain, no EXPAND the status quo of "I will stomp you out anywhere you are".

Meanwhile, the 'small guy' who was hoping to break into null by attacking a weakness in the 'spread out' big alliance's defense will now have it worse. In stead of JUMPING across the universe to stomp the small guy (which takes MINUTES), now all the 'big alliance' has to do is LOG IN it's "Northwestern fleet o Alts", and what took minutes to achieve before now takes SECONDS. Because logging in is faster than traveling via multiple cynos while having to stop to transfer fuel from Fleet hanger to fuel bay......



In discussions like these I often wonder why the 'idea' person is blind to the fact that he's violating 'Malcanis' Law' and if CCP does what he wants, he'd actually be worse off.

What was great about EvE in the beginning was the size. It was huge and took ages to get from somewhere to somewhere else .. so you had to plan and make choices.

the ability to move clones .. or jump ships where you need them at a drop of a hat reduced that initial vastness of space.

I dont know how .. - not just suggest a solution .. not that smart ... but seems to me that when you make it easier to quickly "project force" over huge distances you are weakening what was for me a key ingredient of the game.

And trust me I have been on both side of this debate .. I left the game the first time when the logistics of 0.0 prior to jumpdrives and other such tools came into the game. I appreciate how jumping supplies and such make “life” easier in the game.

But the flip side is you can move thousands of pilots from one side of the galaxy to the other in hours and that reduces the whole strategic side of the game to tactics. As the whole system was developing it worked. .. when not everyone and their donkey had a titan bridge chain, .. but now they do and the new reality is its not that hard to project force far far far away from your “home” base ..

I would rather see 100 small wars all over than 4-5 big ones in a few places .. bringing in fighters from all over. I would rather see people have to fight to keep choke points from high to null open to move logistics through. I would like to see nullsec way more self sufficient .. and not rely on jumping stuff back and forth incessantly.

For me its not a QQ thing .. not in the slightest .. its where I would like to see the game .. and the limitations I see in it now. I don’t mind the current system .. it is what it is but I would like to think with the potential it has it can be better.

There must be War .. all the time all over the place .. its the only way of things in EvE.

Fighting is fun, and ships and mods must die for indies to have a raison d'etre. the spice must flow.

Magic bullet. That's the term I was looking for. Damn this Alzheimers...what were we talking about again?

But yea, people want a magic bullet. You see it all the time in here and F&I. Just nerf local and everything will fall into place. Get rid of timers and fights will happen all over the place. Just nerf power projection and we'll have a way to fight big alliances.

Yea, I know I've posted it before, but it's relevant damn it, because sometimes even CCP believes this BS.

There are no magic bullets.