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You failed to address any thing I wrote except an example of what happened to me when I thought multiboxing was as easy as you seem to thinki it is and then criticized my managerial skills.

My managerial skills are so bad that I can win a vanguard mission in lo or null with eight ships fitted for a VG incursion and a reserve fleet fitted for PVP standing off to warp in and run off or destroy any fleet which comes into the mission after I have started it. I always scan and never go in to contest a site, but will not be chased out of a site and never have been.

CCP seeks equality for accounts not people. Each of everyone's accounts can vote in CSM elections, gets a Christmas gift, can petition, can post likes on forums, costs a plex to play, got 5000 ISK and a crappy ship.

You continue to hold out the example of having a race between a single mult-boxer with multiple accounts and a single player without multi-boxer with multiple accounts. You are pitting player against player and not account against account. Your argument is as valid as complaining that your three accounts with rookie ships cannot win against three supers. Rookie ships are allowed, Supers are allowed and get your brain wrapped around this - multiboxers are allowed as long as they do not provide automation, stored key strokes and alll the other things that come along with bots,

Nothing happens with a ship in a multiboxed fleet untill a human presses a key or maneuvers a mouse. Bots operate from a script when the "player" is afk getting laid or on a waterski vacation in the Persian Gulf.

Pit a multi-boxer with ten accounts & ten ships against ten players with each having a single account and if all else is equal - training, equipment, etc, the two teams of ships will basically accomplish the same amount in the same amount of time - they are equal because the multiboxer will be pressing one key at about the same time as each of the individual players will be pressing the same key..

If you take a single ship on a single account from the non- boxer and from the boxer with the same assignment, such as mine five Veldspar asteroids in a full belt each account will perform nearly the same given they both have the same skills and ships and modules. The Boxer player using boxer commands will not have an advantage over the non boxer account as they will be pressing the same keys at about the same times. Add another player with single nonboxer account and another account belinging to the boxer and do the experiment again. The two teams will finish at about the same time. Keep doing that and at some point the boxer account will not be able to perform as quickly as the same number of single player accounts each on a different computer. Even if the boxer has multiple computers which are comparable to each of the single player computers, the boxer will eventually slow

The hair you are splitting is not a hair for which CCP has a concern for how well it is split.

It is time to stop using ISBoxer as the universal term for all multi-boxing software. It is like calling every computer an IBM


The OP called for a an uprising of the CSM against multiboxing, but what has happened is the sound of crickets and many supporting multi-boxing or ar at least not finding it in contravention with the EULA..



Are you familiar with the term luddite?

Oh wait, you are a crusader fighting for Eve to be played the way it oughta be played - according to you.

I've already given you cordial wishes for god luck and happiness in another post, which went unnoticed I guess, so that is taken care of. Oh look, Don Quixote, A Windmill!

CPP wont ban isboxer for simple reason that they don't give a hoot about the individual player scraping up funds to pay for one account. They like the guy who pays for 5 accounts to win eve! Isboxer is cheating because you are getting an advantage over someone who isn't running it. You can sugar coat it all you want and twist the words but one person controlling 5 or more accounts with one press of a button has an advantage.

Thanks forums for killing my responses.



You agree because you're a dumbass.

Because you - like many others - assign multiboxers magical properties and lack of handicaps that are present for everyone.

According to you, a normal person is handicapped by lack of synchronization, lag, system unresponsivness, latency issues, random disconnects, random socket closures, client crashes and plain old miss-clicks.
Multiboxers using ISBoxer however are safe from all those things apparently and they win battles with a single click. Well, it's not that simple.

Have you tried ISBoxer with 26+ toons so you can rightfully claim it's "too easy" ? If you have tried and found it's not instant plex pinata, then you've already failed in your wrong assumption that ISBoxer is the magical wand that transforms your legion of accounts into an active and coherent contribution to the bad aspects of this game. - If you haven't, then you're talking out of your arse. See above.

The point of having a massive multiplayer game is so multiple people from all four winds can geet together and do fun things. Even us multiboxers like to get together, mine in super-massive fleets and do other stuff that people like you just don't understand. And our dedication and hard work is well rewarded. And we pay CCP the same as you do. One plex per account. It's not like we get chars with bazillion of SP and free of charge. We have to skill them up just like you do. Facing the same problems. Everything in EVE costs ISK and since there's just one toon actually providing the funds, guess what?

Why do you think it's going to be bad? There are whole Corporations and Alliances out there who are built out of JUST people who multibox toons. And there are fleets out there (not necessarily PVP, since multiboxing isn't as rewarding in PvP as it is in industry-mining-PI) consisting of 200+ characters with reality of only 10 people behind them. And why is that bad? Have you seen the size of the Universe EVE is based in? Have you even explored it towards its edges? Over 50% of so called "claimed space" is empty and devoid of life. Nobody forces you to hang around us who multibox. Go out there, make a glorious time for youself or your friends. Nobody is preventing you from carving out your own piece of destiny.

Saying you've played "quite a few MMOs" and saying you haven't encountered multiboxing is talking out of your anus. I've played multiple MMO's and wherever multiboxing was permitted, I've done it. So have others.
However, people who multibox (by using ISBoxer or not) don't dissuade new players from continuing to play. It's the under-dregs of society in EVE & lack of a helping hand on the side of EVE that does that quite well. Funny how multiboxers are blamed for deterring new players, but none of that blame is put at the feet of scammers, thieves, pirates, gankers and awoxers.

I have a feeling you're butt-hurt becuse you by yourself aren't willing to dedicate so much of your free time and money, to have a fun and better experience at this game. And that makes you angry.

Quit whining and learn to play?

It's blatantly obvious that you and some people in this thread have never tried to use isboxer. You really should try it some day. I guarantee you'll find the reality of multiboxing to be nothing like the fantasy put forth by you and others like you. Hours/days/weeks/months are spent setting up UIs tweaking settings, overviews and control schemes. The frustration of realizing that a window stuck to the cursor on one of the clients despite everything being pinned. The joy of lag causing one or more of your cursors to be off target. The joy of sending half your fleet the wrong direction because you clicked a little too quickly. The realization that you HAVE to do everything much slower then normal so you don't end up killing yourself horribly. etcetcetc

If you want to have a real discussion about isboxer and other repeaters you first need to acknowledge the reality of their usage.


EDIT : BTW my first real MMO was trade wars and even in that game people had alts. Every single game I've played online has had alts... You're deluding yourself if you think that alts are a new thing or that they are a problem.

If you really think that alts are causing games to focus on farming then you really are new to the scene. Try playing UO or Lineage2 or any number of old school MMOs. Everquest was called Evercrack for a reason.. Those were REAL farming games and guess what.... Eve is from the same era.

Fire command is just as delayed as with the isboxer setup above since shooting yourself is bad and stuff. THe rest of your complaint is irrelevant as you're assuming the isboxer player has a magical computer with no system lag with a magical connection next to ccp while you give the non isboxer fleet a bunch of handicaps.

I'm just not a fan of many alts and multiboxing, nothing can change my mind in this matter.

And no I won't try something I don't want others to use. :) Though I've seen plenty videos on it, have read some stuff and met couple isboxing fleets. And alts are not new thing today, but when I was playing back than only few people had them. Than it spread and I've noticed the changes.

And btw, if ISBoxer would be so bad to use and you would lose your fleet sending it wrong way why would people use it? Because it doesn't happen as often I guess as huge isk income or very unfair PvP. But I guess today PvP is Player vs Program.

ISBoxer ain't really just an simple alt is it.





Yea sure defenders of ISBoxer say how hard it is to set up. I guess people get that program for losing isks, right? Oh wait, thats not true they get it cause they can get tons of isks by its help or blob someone solo. So for 3 days you have a bit rough time with it but than you can easily do anything solo. Why playing multiplayer game anyway? Just find yourself some nice sci-fi strategy.

Crying how bad is the ISBoxer when everyone knows for little trouble it gives you a huge advantage. Just wow. Why not make ok trade bots for example? I'm too lazy to trade properly so I'd like one. You also need to set it up so I guess it would be ok, right?

keep ignoring how a server works, you really don't understand what i am talking about or you just ignoring it.
but, you start complaining about "problems with the thrid party software" .... yeah, you don't even understand how the internet works and lag from different clients spread out in the world. but yeah, unimportant for you because you are only one client with one IP. you keep ignoring that exactly this is your main advantage for the perfect alpha.

i know how ISBoxer works and when i read all your replys i really know that you have no clue how to use it propper. for you it is just a nice window management application, nothing more, nothing less.