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You can easily clone mouse and keyboard commands with a hardware solution. I could build a box to do it with spare parts that I have lying around.

There's also a variety of software solutions for cloning mouse/keyboard inputs that are used for non game related activities.

I could run a vanguard fleet without isboxer if I wanted. If you're bad at multiboxing just use a fleet of drone based ships.

I run multiple machines because I'm an old school multiboxer from the old FFA PVP mmo days. Even with isboxer I use multiple machines and screens. I only use the repeater function for my dps and the rest are separate. I don't use videofx or any of the fancy aspects other then the frame limiter and the CPU assignment. So even without isboxer I'd still be running vanguards and ganking people with my fleet.


edit : Be aware that part of your complaint about isboxer also applies to WINE and other virtual environments..

edit 2 : You're "solution" would add MASSIVE overhead to the server. I'm pretty sure part of the reason that OGB still exists is because of the hit to server performance that checks would require. What you're asking for is every single person's commands to be logged crosschecked AND tracked while comparing to past commands. That's insanity....

ISBoxer doesn't give you items, cyrrency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated pace. Multiboxing software is also allowed by CCP.

I see no reason why to ban it and I still haven't seen a legitimate argument why boxing software should be banned. Remember, in a game where ganking, scamming and mental harm is allowed using the words "morality" or "fair" are not applicable.

Not really, although you can debate if "one action" really is one action. Since you brought up hardware, I went and looked up the policy on G15 keyboards and found that programming a key to turn all your hardeners on (the example I found) can involve inputting multiple keystrokes. CCP might consider that one action, but you won't get any argument from me if you state that is entering multiple commands with one keystroke. Since I'm conceding the point (kind of), I hope you don't mind if I don't supply the link.

And you're correct about the ability of making ISBoxer (or in reality, Inner Space) impossible to detect. The man who invented Inner Space (and ISBoxer) wrote software (ISXWarden) that hid botters from Warden until Blizzard's lawyers convinced him to stop. That's one of the reasons I'm wary of trying to ban the use of ISBoxer. Do we want Team Security to have to possibly fight that war and be diverted from the fight against RMT? That type of detection arms race could get out of hand quickly, depending on how willing ISBoxer users are to break the rules to use their software. Most would probably follow the rules, but you know there'd be a few that would try to keep going if CCP instituted a ban.

and now math for advanced players.

player A has finished his 40 hours for his PLEX. he does 4 hours a day so he has finished it after 10 days. in the next 20 days he earns another 2 PLEX, thats his yield per month after paying his PLEX.

player B has finished his 40 hours with his 40 characters for his PLEX, he also does 4hours per day = 10 days. in the next 20 days he earns another 80 PLEX.

so, you really want us to explain that 80 PLEX is equal 2 PLEX ??? and yes, nobody is able to control a 40 character fleet without tools.

And yet, on a per character basis, it's exactly the same - 2 Plex per character per month after the initial 1 PLEX per character is earned to pay for the account.

So the 40 man ISBoxer fleet is not earning that amount any faster than any other 40 man fleet. Which means, based on a common sense reading of the EULA about gathering "at an accelerated rate" it is not in contravention of the rules, since the rates per character are exactly the same (3 total plex per month per character).


Then why are you lot so focused on ISBoxer and not on EVERY other method that allows for exactly the same thing? I have yet to hear a single one of you call for banning people using hardware solutions.

Repeaters and identically configured UI's have existed for ages. Hardware solution does not mean a bazillion of mice and keyboards.

I already told you I run multiple screens/keyboards/mice. If you run drone doctrine it's fairly easy once you get assist assigned. Yeah you can't run them as fast as you could with isboxer but you can still do it.

I don't feel like drawing out an electrical diagram for you but it's quite possible to clone mouse and keyboard inputs for multiple machines. You could also run multiple virtual machines on one machine and have the key/mouse cloned to all of them and eve wouldn't even know.

He's earning isk at the same rate per account as anyone else. There's no acceleration involved...

If you're going to call that cheating then any form of multiboxing is cheating. Also PI alts market alts etc are cheating. All alts are cheating.

@Rosewalker : I would much rather CCP spend their time on botters and hackers. Including repeaters and such would create a nightmare for CCP to enforce.

It's like you've never heard of window mode or alt tab.

It's very possible and quite easy to do. It's also extremely mind numbing.

So, does using ISBoxer to mine with 10 accounts net you ore ANY FASTER than mining with 10 accounts and NOT using ISBoxer?

the answer is no, the ship you fly, the lasers your skills and the boosts you receive determine how fast you mine ore.

ISBoxer does not in any way ACCELERATE how fast your acquire in game currency or goods.

KVM Switch (and Matrixes) are cheap and can be scaled to 64 computers in most solutions. Switch itself doesn't repeat anything, but a matrix will send the same signal to all machines. Fully hardware solution.

Edit: OR you could just build a simple demultiplexer, they are electrically simple to create.