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No Lube ForU
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-06-23 11:55:53 UTC
Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp.
You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it. Evil
Shouldn't be allowed to drop corp for at least 2 or 3 days if the corp gets decced.

I am just n new guy learning to gank. Have had a few success's Smile and losses Sad

I plan to gank them just gotta train up some skills as I cant bring down the macks solo What?

Any ways ty for reading my whine.

o7
Grenadier Greyback
May Cause Irritation
#2 - 2014-06-23 12:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Grenadier Greyback
Whereas I agree that the wardec mechanics do need a little tweaking to avoid instant corp-jumping, your tears are almost as salty as a raging care bear.

just keep your head still while I hold this jug under your chin


You know, ganking helpless indy bears isn't the only thing you can do in high-sec right?

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No Lube ForU
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-06-23 12:15:55 UTC
Grenadier Greyback wrote:
Whereas I agree that the wardec mechanics do need a little tweaking to avoid instant corp-jumping, your tears are almost as salty as a raging care bear.

just keep your head still while I hold this jug under your chin


You know, ganking helpless indy bears isn't the only thing you can do in high-sec right?



Well I wouldn't say I am a hard core ganker. This is my second dec and only 2 ganks. I have less than 3 mil skillpoints but still enjoying the game. What more is there to do in hi sec ?? ohhh wait ya mean go mine or grind mishs all day or the clicky clicky PI stuff ?? no thanks. I wanna play to have fun lol If ya want more tears I can whine about all the probs in the game but I haven't got all year and I sure you don't either lol
Grenadier Greyback
May Cause Irritation
#4 - 2014-06-23 12:33:34 UTC
No Lube ForU wrote:
Grenadier Greyback wrote:
Whereas I agree that the wardec mechanics do need a little tweaking to avoid instant corp-jumping, your tears are almost as salty as a raging care bear.

just keep your head still while I hold this jug under your chin


You know, ganking helpless indy bears isn't the only thing you can do in high-sec right?



Well I wouldn't say I am a hard core ganker. This is my second dec and only 2 ganks. I have less than 3 mil skillpoints but still enjoying the game. What more is there to do in hi sec ?? ohhh wait ya mean go mine or grind mishs all day or the clicky clicky PI stuff ?? no thanks. I wanna play to have fun lol If ya want more tears I can whine about all the probs in the game but I haven't got all year and I sure you don't either lol


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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#5 - 2014-06-23 12:43:05 UTC
If you are doing this for 'fun', then why don't you War-Dec a corp that wants to bring a fight?
I'm sure there are other like minded corps out there just like you.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-06-23 13:10:36 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
If you are doing this for 'fun', then why don't you War-Dec a corp that wants to bring a fight?
I'm sure there are other like minded corps out there just like you.


But..but.. They shoot back... That's not fun!

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-06-23 14:25:31 UTC
It comes with the territory.

Move along and dec somebody else. Not saying they are cowards and pansies, but if that is what they choose why whine about it?

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Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#8 - 2014-06-23 14:32:23 UTC
No Lube ForU wrote:
Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp.
You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it.


If that happens and you REALLY have a h***-on for a particular group, AWOX them. It's free, a whole other fun challenge, and the tears can really rain down in buckets and be especially tasty.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-06-23 15:42:40 UTC
I'm of the camp that if a conflict-generation mechanic is going to exist at all, it should be meaningful and not full of holes.

In its current form I see the ability to drop corp and immediately shed a wardec as nothing short of an exploit and a negative impact on wars being meaningful. I also question the ability for a character to remain in an NPC corp forever, or do so with no substantive premium in tax rates.

I think its a perfectly reasonable request for individuals dropping a corp under wardec to carry that war with them as an individual until its expiry (or one week elapses).

I would further increase NPC corp taxes greatly, to incentivize people into player corps. Another alternative would be to allow NPC corporations to be wardecced.

As further incentive to conflict, I would put wardec fees into a bucket claimable by the defender based on agressor assets killed.

F

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-06-23 16:04:05 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I'm of the camp that if a conflict-generation mechanic is going to exist at all, it should be meaningful and not full of holes.

In its current form I see the ability to drop corp and immediately shed a wardec as nothing short of an exploit and a negative impact on wars being meaningful. I also question the ability for a character to remain in an NPC corp forever, or do so with no substantive premium in tax rates.

I think its a perfectly reasonable request for individuals dropping a corp under wardec to carry that war with them as an individual until its expiry (or one week elapses).

I would further increase NPC corp taxes greatly, to incentivize people into player corps. Another alternative would be to allow NPC corporations to be wardecced.

As further incentive to conflict, I would put wardec fees into a bucket claimable by the defender based on agressor assets killed.

F


Yep.

I would also like to see -other- restrictions placed on NPC corps. You know how you cant train certain ships under a trial account? I would like to see such limitations on NPC mission runners and such. No marauders able to fly in NPC corp... or something like that. The idea should be to encourage players to GET OUT THERE and meet people, fly with them, and be a productive part of EvE... not single player mission running in an NPC corp until they quit the game from boredom.

Yeah, im sure there would be negative affects with that too... neutral alts and whatnot.

Just my two cents.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-23 16:56:34 UTC
No Lube ForU wrote:
Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp.
You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it. Evil
Shouldn't be allowed to drop corp for at least 2 or 3 days if the corp gets decced.

I am just n new guy learning to gank. Have had a few success's Smile and losses Sad

I plan to gank them just gotta train up some skills as I cant bring down the macks solo What?

Any ways ty for reading my whine.

o7


I've found that you often want to target groups that actually have things to lose, like a POS or poco's. Even if you don't plan on going after those assets, it means they cannot afford to reform the corp. This doesn't really stop all their members from dropping corp though. If you ever get a POS owning corp to drop all it's members though, let me know, being able to go after a POS that cannot actually be defended would make me laugh.

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No Lube ForU
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-06-23 17:03:09 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I'm of the camp that if a conflict-generation mechanic is going to exist at all, it should be meaningful and not full of holes.

In its current form I see the ability to drop corp and immediately shed a wardec as nothing short of an exploit and a negative impact on wars being meaningful. I also question the ability for a character to remain in an NPC corp forever, or do so with no substantive premium in tax rates.

I think its a perfectly reasonable request for individuals dropping a corp under wardec to carry that war with them as an individual until its expiry (or one week elapses).

I would further increase NPC corp taxes greatly, to incentivize people into player corps. Another alternative would be to allow NPC corporations to be wardecced.

As further incentive to conflict, I would put wardec fees into a bucket claimable by the defender based on agressor assets killed.

F



amen to that
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#13 - 2014-06-23 17:19:32 UTC
A note on semantics. If you blow up someone's ship in a wardec, it isn't called a gank. It's called "honourable combat". As in, "my Catalyst met their Hulk in honourable combat and won the day." Wardeccing is the most gentlemanly form of PvP in the game. Where else do you give your targets 24 hour notice that you are coming to blap them?

Also, having glanced at your killboard, I'm impressed that you killed a POS with Executioners. That must have taken some doing. Looks like you are off to a pretty good start.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#14 - 2014-06-23 18:05:17 UTC
As pointed out, target corps that have tangible assets. Under current mechanics, POSes require corp standing and not every corp has the standing to re-anchor a POS, so may opt to defend it. POCOs would be the same. Even intangible assets such as a famous name. I know RvB or eve Uni will not all desert if you wardec them.

As for the standard requests of people not dropping corp or wardecs carrying over... You guys really think that will change anything? What would stop people from just docking up and using an alt or trial account for a week? Sure the income may not he as high, but you would avoid the aggressors. Then what would you request? It won't change anything. Seriously, aw long as people can dock, they can avoid wardecs, it is a part of the sandbox. Just as they can't force you to play their way, there will always be ways they don't have to play your way.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#15 - 2014-06-23 18:28:26 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
As pointed out, target corps that have tangible assets. Under current mechanics, POSes require corp standing and not every corp has the standing to re-anchor a POS, so may opt to defend it.

FYI, this is slated to change in the July 22 update. After Crius, there will be no standings requirements to anchor a POS in hisec, and any system, excluding a few rookie systems, will be eligible, which means POSes iin 0.8+ systems.

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Grenadier Greyback
May Cause Irritation
#16 - 2014-06-23 18:45:55 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
As pointed out, target corps that have tangible assets. Under current mechanics, POSes require corp standing and not every corp has the standing to re-anchor a POS, so may opt to defend it. POCOs would be the same. Even intangible assets such as a famous name. I know RvB or eve Uni will not all desert if you wardec them.

As for the standard requests of people not dropping corp or wardecs carrying over... You guys really think that will change anything? What would stop people from just docking up and using an alt or trial account for a week? Sure the income may not he as high, but you would avoid the aggressors. Then what would you request? It won't change anything. Seriously, aw long as people can dock, they can avoid wardecs, it is a part of the sandbox. Just as they can't force you to play their way, there will always be ways they don't have to play your way.


The "corp quit cooldown" when wardecced would only be feasible in conjunction with higher tax on NPC corps (and/or ship restrictions). Yes they could just make an alt corp, but any good aggressor will have done their homework on their target.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-06-23 18:57:24 UTC
No Lube ForU wrote:
Hi. Just wanna know what is the point of war deccing a corp.
You dec them and the next day they create a new corp and all join it. Evil
Shouldn't be allowed to drop corp for at least 2 or 3 days if the corp gets decced.

I am just n new guy learning to gank. Have had a few success's Smile and losses Sad

I plan to gank them just gotta train up some skills as I cant bring down the macks solo What?

Any ways ty for reading my whine.

o7

Okay you're missing the point of a wardec. Wardec is about one corporation wardecing another corporation. Not you wardecing a corporation. Eve isn't a single player game and if you can't even kill a single helpless miner how do you expect to cause any damage?

Most carebears don't jump corp because someone wardeced them. Many are oblivious to even what a wardec means. If wardecs were so ineffective why does Mermite have so many kills?

If all you want to do is gank miners just get in a destroyer and join a gank fleet. No wardec needed.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2014-06-23 18:57:35 UTC
I suggest mission baiting instead, after you've had a run of dec dodgers.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-06-23 19:14:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I suggest mission baiting instead, after you've had a run of dec dodgers.


Maybe a modification, or caveat, if you will... to the Kill it Forward program?

If you are dec dodged, take your frustrations out on a innocent, and inform them to seek payment for their mission boat from the dec-dodger corp whom caused their loss.

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2014-06-23 19:22:25 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I suggest mission baiting instead, after you've had a run of dec dodgers.


Maybe a modification, or caveat, if you will... to the Kill it Forward program?

If you are dec dodged, take your frustrations out on a innocent, and inform them to seek payment for their mission boat from the dec-dodger corp whom caused their loss.


you might be on to something amazing

Thank me later :D
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