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anyone able to offer some advice on Nicotine Vapourisers?

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Catalytic morphisis
Indecision
#1 - 2014-06-22 08:25:27 UTC
Quick question for anyone using these new vapourisers as I recently purchased one.

I'm basically looking to cut nicotine out over time with this thing as a sort of alternative to Nicotine Patches/Tablets (They both did not work for me in the slightest) and I'm basically just wondering at what interval people would say is the best to start lowering the Nicotine strength? I'm 23 and have been smoking for 9 years, Not sure if that has any effect on the duration to stick at a certain nicotine level.

Anyone who knows anything about them and could offer some info I'd be very grateful to

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#2 - 2014-06-22 09:08:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
try different "juices" until you find one that feels satisfying to you , not strictly nice but gives that sensation.
Its not smoking, don't pretend it is, however it is the only thing iv tried in the last decade that combats the habit .

you can regulate the strength of your doses, the duration of them and their interval much better with one than you can with cigarets so id be hard pressed to advise you a plan but im certain you can work something out ,

hers an Irish forum on vaporizers and "vaping"(needs another name) in general .
Catalytic morphisis
Indecision
#3 - 2014-06-22 09:23:43 UTC
oh no doubt it isn't smoking, All I was saying was that I have been smoking for 9 years and looking to use this to kill the habit so to speak. Thanks for the advice though I'll keep on playing with the different juices and see how it goes.

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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-06-22 09:26:33 UTC
There's a juicy market niche for those devices, which nobody has exploited yet: use them as flavor dispensers.

It's wet, warm and tastes good, but it haves no calories and no effects on your body: flavored vapor is the ultimate sweetmeat.

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.

Rain6637
NulzSec
#5 - 2014-06-22 11:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
vape is a nicotine replacement, like the patch. I'm not sure where the quitting aid idea comes from.

I think if you're looking to quit nicotine, the best way is deciding to do without it altogether (cold turkey). I've found that reducing the nicotine percentage is simply unsatisfying. I use 32% straight, 50/50 VG PG, though right now i'm out of PG as a result of my roomies using it in their fail flavor concoctions.

I don't like flavors, not in the lungs. I'm just in it for the hit

I gave up smoking for the sake of my platoon before deploying to Iraq as a medic (was not a medic the other two deployments, and smoked heavily)... started dip... then moved to vape. Vape is cheap, unobtrusive, and clean--I'm happy with it. but it was never my intention to quit nicotine.

as for hardware, I have a 30$ rechargable that uses a mini-USB for charging, and you can use it at the same time. for the nth time I woke up one morning and forgot to charge my conventional battery.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2014-06-22 13:27:14 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
Quick question for anyone using these new vapourisers as I recently purchased one.

I'm basically looking to cut nicotine out over time with this thing as a sort of alternative to Nicotine Patches/Tablets (They both did not work for me in the slightest) and I'm basically just wondering at what interval people would say is the best to start lowering the Nicotine strength? I'm 23 and have been smoking for 9 years, Not sure if that has any effect on the duration to stick at a certain nicotine level.

Anyone who knows anything about them and could offer some info I'd be very grateful to


That's interesting, as these are now considered a gateway for kids before leading into the real thing.

Lots of laws are coming down on these soon in the US.

The only thing that even began to work for me was Chantix. But unfortunately, a lot of people react badly to it as I did. After a few months on it, I started "behaving strangely", and I could even tell I was. That was it for me.

I've been smoking for 32 years, and I guess the only way to stop...is to stop.

But don't forget, If you do manage to quit on any method, it's still going to be an uphill battle the ret of your life to stay off smoking. The brain never forgets what it likes, be it nicotine or alcohol.

IT'S A TRAP !

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ranzabar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-23 03:59:14 UTC
The fact that you don't breath the products of combustion, and the crap that goes into a butt is a big advantage for eCigs. The water used has yet to be evaluated. Could be full of crap too, other than the Nicotine. But the thing about eCigs is that they introduce vapor into your lungs like an inhaler. If you're immune suppressed, could be a possible way to get pneumonia. Maybe.

That said, eCig vs. lighting up? eCig all the way. For you and everyone around you. Here in the States, the regs are coming soon. Vape while you can.

Abide

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2014-06-23 06:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
My experience with the E-cigarettes/Vaporizers in general has been this...

- it doesn't really kill the cravings. It just takes the edge off. You have to WANT to cut cigarettes/cigars/hookahs from your life in the first place.
edit: though, the E-cig/Vape is FAR more satisfying than chewing gum or using a patch.

- Related to the above point... if you are like me and enjoy a good smoke when drinking, you are REALLY going to feel that craving. Best way to stick to the vaporizer is to also limit your drinking habits.

- If you have a tendency to "fall of the wagon" then try to keep your vaping experience interesting. Try different flavors that appeal to you... there is quite a selection to choose from.

- losing power while you are out and about is a *****... especially when you are prone to "falling off the wagon." Be mindful of your battery levels before you go out. Bring your charger if you think you will be out for awhile.

- try NOT to keep them in your pant pockets. You risk bending them to the point where the seals might break... which can result in liquids leaking out (making your pants smell funky) or sweat/water getting into the electrical components (shorting things out).

- I started at 24 mg of nicotine in my E-fluids as I was used to smoke hookahs and/or chain smoking. It took about a month or two to get used to that level (my brain wanted more!!). A few months later I lowered it down to ~12 mg... then 6 mg a few months after that. Now my battery has reached the end of its life and I have stopped.



With regards to E-cigarettes/Vaporizers themselves...

- Do not get some cheapo garbage thing for less than 15 bucks. This is one of those things where you get where you pay for.

- I highly recommend getting one with a refillable head like this one: Lucid Vapes Starter Kit
Note: I have been using this one for about a year. I only had to replace the head component once (I broke it) and the replacement head I got was quite nice. (it could be easily taken apart and the igniter/atomizer replaced for less than $10 USD)

- The igniter/atomizer is the only hardware you will have to replace regularly. Some heads will allow you to replace JUST that small bit while other heads have it built-in and need to be replaced entirely.
Igniters/atomizers usually last for about a month... maybe a bit longer if you only occasionally smoke. You will easily be able to tell when it is time to replace it as you will be consistently sucking up globs of fluid rather than vapor.

- The E-fluid itself is mostly to taste. Cheaper stuff will work fine but I found that they tend to be rather "light" and "watery"... resulting in a hotter vapor (which can be quite unsatisfying). More expensive fluid will taste richer and sweeter. Starbuzz was a favorite brand of mine.
Marsha Mallow
#9 - 2014-06-23 12:03:15 UTC
Can't tell where you are from, but if it's the UK you could make an appointment at your GP surgery with the practice nurse for smoking cessation. They aren't really allowed to discuss E-Cigs at the moment as they aren't regulated, but they can give good advice about cessation techniques and how to reduce your nicotine levels. When I went she advised max dose for anyone smoking more than 15 a day (and did a test to check my levels). They can also issue you some support stuff to use alongside the E-Cig and it works out cheaper on prescription than buying off the shelf. I got gum, an inhaler, patches and a mouth spray - the spray is really strong, you can definitely feel the effect. The appointments are useful for some people as they get you to set targets and aim to reduce your intake, rather than just leave you to struggle with it.

So far though, I know 3 people who have quit using E-Cigs without going to their GP, including a friends mother who was a 40yr smoker on 40+ a day. The cheap E-Cigs I tried from supermarkets are a bit crap - don't really like the taste, and they don't always say what the nicotine levels are. They also made me wheeze a bit initially, but I had a cold at the time. You need a few as well, as they tend to charge down if you are out and about for longer than a day (it's worth carrying your recharger and a spare about). A friend gave me a pricier one she'd got online that was a lot better, had a few different flavours. Despite being a bit more expensive, they are still really cheap compared to cigarettes. I'm just about to order a kit myself and make a follow up appointment, fingers crossed.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Catalytic morphisis
Indecision
#10 - 2014-06-23 12:10:21 UTC
I've had gum, Inhaler thing, Patches and mouth spray before to no avail, I suck in regards to willpower but to be fair the e-cig is doing the job so far, no craving really which is a first!

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Pepper Solette
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-06-23 12:27:25 UTC
There's a huge write-up here in the forums that one gent wrote.

I found the link for you: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=255448

Akita T seems to have a hell of a lot of knowledge about the topic as well.

Hope this helps you out.

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Catalytic morphisis
Indecision
#12 - 2014-06-24 10:34:26 UTC
cheers for the help guys, Definitely doing good for me so far, 10 days cigarette free, Longest I've been smoke free, Cheers for all the help and advice.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#13 - 2014-06-24 14:09:05 UTC
Take your time. With cigarettes I started with limiting myself to 1 cig/hour, then one every 2 hours.... I am sure you could do something similar with the nicotine total cartridges smoked or total number of puffs per min/hour/day.
Catalytic morphisis
Indecision
#14 - 2014-06-24 14:22:26 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Take your time. With cigarettes I started with limiting myself to 1 cig/hour, then one every 2 hours.... I am sure you could do something similar with the nicotine total cartridges smoked or total number of puffs per min/hour/day.


This sounds like a good idea, I started doing this prior to my Ecig arriving and has helped a lot, Might be worth limiting the amount of puffs an hour since being that I can sit in work with it I find myself using it a lot currently

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-06-25 06:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
Quick question for anyone using these new vapourisers as I recently purchased one.

I'm basically looking to cut nicotine out over time with this thing as a sort of alternative to Nicotine Patches/Tablets (They both did not work for me in the slightest) and I'm basically just wondering at what interval people would say is the best to start lowering the Nicotine strength? I'm 23 and have been smoking for 9 years, Not sure if that has any effect on the duration to stick at a certain nicotine level.

Anyone who knows anything about them and could offer some info I'd be very grateful to

A colleague of mine (chain smoker) got one, too. he used to "borrow" the liquids from another colleague. After four weeks he finally noticed that those were liquids without any nicotine in them. He stopped smoking after that.

Realy I don't see the point of smoking stuff without drugs in it. It's like smoking pot without any of the fun. Straight

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-06-30 23:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
The problem is that cigarettes have a wide variety of drugs and other toxins that you gain a physiological dependence to. Those patches and vaporisers only provide the nicotine.

My advice: smoke actual cigarettes but just don't smoke as much as desired. Always leave yourself short. Get a lighter variety if you don't like wasting part of the cigarette. There are ultra-light varieties with an extra-long filter that can be torn off halfway. Salem ultra-lights are good for that. Might be a good choice for final cigarette. By the time you are ready to step below those, you might be able to get off with just patches, gum, or e-cigs. Alternatively, if you can step off the other toxins from smoking, you could just let yourself remain addicted to nicotine and keep getting it from those other much less toxic sources. It's not really the nicotine that hurts you so much in the long run, you know.

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#17 - 2014-07-01 09:56:27 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:

My advice: smoke actual cigarettes .

*beep*
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-07-01 10:09:41 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:


Realy I don't see the point of smoking stuff without drugs in it. It's like smoking pot without any of the fun. Straight


You'd be surprised how high people can get on smoking cookie dough alone, if you made them believe it's pot.
Never underestimate the placebo effect. Blink

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Catalytic morphisis
Indecision
#19 - 2014-07-01 10:43:12 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The problem is that cigarettes have a wide variety of drugs and other toxins that you gain a physiological dependence to. Those patches and vaporisers only provide the nicotine.

My advice: smoke actual cigarettes but just don't smoke as much as desired. Always leave yourself short. Get a lighter variety if you don't like wasting part of the cigarette. There are ultra-light varieties with an extra-long filter that can be torn off halfway. Salem ultra-lights are good for that. Might be a good choice for final cigarette. By the time you are ready to step below those, you might be able to get off with just patches, gum, or e-cigs. Alternatively, if you can step off the other toxins from smoking, you could just let yourself remain addicted to nicotine and keep getting it from those other much less toxic sources. It's not really the nicotine that hurts you so much in the long run, you know.

I've been off cigarettes for a few weeks now, So I'm not going to go back to them, The vaporiser is helping me out a lot, Helps a lot so I think I'm good now, Found a nicotine fluid that is nice and works for me too so I'm happy

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#20 - 2014-07-01 10:49:16 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The problem is that cigarettes have a wide variety of drugs and other toxins that you gain a physiological dependence to. Those patches and vaporisers only provide the nicotine.

My advice: smoke actual cigarettes but just don't smoke as much as desired. Always leave yourself short. Get a lighter variety if you don't like wasting part of the cigarette. There are ultra-light varieties with an extra-long filter that can be torn off halfway. Salem ultra-lights are good for that. Might be a good choice for final cigarette. By the time you are ready to step below those, you might be able to get off with just patches, gum, or e-cigs. Alternatively, if you can step off the other toxins from smoking, you could just let yourself remain addicted to nicotine and keep getting it from those other much less toxic sources. It's not really the nicotine that hurts you so much in the long run, you know.

I've been off cigarettes for a few weeks now, So I'm not going to go back to them, The vaporiser is helping me out a lot, Helps a lot so I think I'm good now, Found a nicotine fluid that is nice and works for me too so I'm happy

happy to hear dude.
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