EVE General Discussion

I've played off and on since 2009. This last time was the first time I had been ganked while mining. I'm not a pvp player so I didn't understand what had happened and why. So I googled CODE and found my answer. If you actually read what it is they do, It can help you defend yourself from their sillyness. They do bring a liveliness to an otherwise boring profession. Now I use d-scan which I had never done, I tank my miners and use drones. This wasn't how I played before, but I could've been ganked by anyone. It just happened to be one of the best organized groups of people I've seen in an MMO. I don't like what they do but it is a part of the game. I have very unsuccessfully tried 'white knighting' against them, but that in and of itself is a very large challenge. Several code supporters insist everyone play the way they think it sould be done. That is an option. Don't like it or them, do something about it. Don't be a part of the problem. Try being a part of the solution.

i like you.

Well, I don't say that it should be effortless. It should cost at least as much as ganking, ISK per ISK.

So let's say that you spend (bravely) 12 million ISK wort hof PvP ships to destroy my 250 million worth of PvE ship.

Make me spend (cowardly) 12 million ISK to destroy 250 million worth of your PvP ships.

How is that NOT balanced?

Oh, I guess: you're brave whereas I am a coward. Make me pay twice, then. I shall pay 24 million ISK, to destroy 125 million worth of your ships. Is that balanced enough?

No, it isn't. All in all, I am doign PvE, I am earning money faster than you!

But then... well... maybe you should not PvP me? There are many ways to enjoy PvP against less costly targets. RvB, FAI.

Or maybe just let it be like is now. You can spend peanuts to destroy hundreds of millions and I can't do anythign but do the same as you and **** other miners, or hand out billions to other players for nothing as they can't protect me and you can just stay docked if they happen to be a credible threat.

Very well balanced if you're in it for the PvP. Not so well balanced for anything else.

both earned the isk. one expends effort to use it.



you're still not doing anything to earn the destruction of another player's ship.



not if you're mining you're not, poor.



you're not a costly target since you don't do anything to defend yourself.


you can do a lot of things already, you just choose not to for some reason. that's no cause to let you destroy other players' ships without expending the isk and effort required to do so.

if you don't like the game EVE Online, i can recommend some games you might be more comfortable with. i've heard of one based on a popular series of fantasy realtime strategy games.

The real problem I'm seeing here is, the carebears still think it's all about their 'entitlement' to the isk they've made or spent. It's easy to forget the first unwritten rule of EVE, but let me summarise it for you: don't undock what you're not prepared to lose. You aren't entitled to anything that you can't defend. If someone wants to take something of yours, they will try, and if you aren't able to defend it, they will succeed.

What do I get from ganking miners ?
Thrill of the chase for one, assuming they are at the keyboard and if not well I just made WH living a tad more dangerous for them and they were rewarded with a pod express back home for their lapse in security.

Avoiding ganks is easy, and free.

If highsec pilots were a tiny bit competent, ganks would be impossible with current mechanics.

Behold the balance right there.

Conversely miners that are disengaged from the game tend to sell their minerals to the best buy order, because they want instant ISK (gratification), thus driving down the income of miners in general. The more miners that die, the more the ore and ice that I refine and stockpile is worth.

That may seem a little mercenary, but that's the nature of the game we're playing.

The easy solution is not to be an easy target, dissuade the gankers from ganking you by being a damn sight harder to kill than the other guy.

At the end of the day, its legal

You dont get banned for ganking people

Therefore, working as intended

If you dont like it, write CCP a letter about how little you think if their rules in their game

Im sure they will give it the consideration its due

Hi Matilda,
sorry about the delay,
you see,im not really allowed to deal with this sort of thing yet ,
but if you bear with me ill have my supervisor come round an see to that you're dealt with.