Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Problem: logging into an incursion system resizes all of your chat windows
Solution: have incursion chat open in its own window or don't automatically join incursion chat

That's nice, but it doesn't make "I run incursions, therefore carebears, Concord, and apron-strings, yay!" any less of a non sequitur. The issue, in this instance, was with your laughable logic, not the fact that you're kind of a sissy. We already knew that and you're welcome to carry on being a sissy.

The point was that you suggested that not wanting to see high sec incursions made less safe is a trait inherent to incursion runners, which clearly does not follow if it's possible to identify more than 0 incursion runners who would gladly see that change made, which it is.

Now, had you said...



THAT would be a somewhat more consistent statement.

Got another one. Very annoying. Nothing to do especially with incursions but it's very annoying in all fleets where you use boosts. So also in incursion fleets. + it's a very very very old bug

Problem: Wing commander does not get boosts. You need to do a wired work-around in order to fix this bad issue.
Solution: Fix this old annoying bug before you make something new.

As I don't believe in CCP fixing old bugs, here is what I talk about and the work-around: When you are wing commander you don't get boosts e.d. from the fleet command booster. BUT squad commanders get the boost from a wing command booster. Work around: Put yourself in wing command, revoke your booster, put the booster in a squad member or squad commander position and make him the wing booster. Sometimes it's then still not working. Then you need to recycle (revoke and set again) the squad boosters. Very annoying.

This is awesome. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE SAFE IN HIGH. PEOPLE NEED TO FACE RISK. Also, please protect me in high.

People aren't safe in Highsec. Incursion runners die on a regular basis, to ganks and in the sites.

Just because some of you have trouble killing us now, thanks to us learning how to protect ourselves, is no excuse to make it easier to gank.


It's funny.. Gankers gank us, we adapt, gankers cry because it's now too hard.. Gankers always want it to be easier.. Remember the Freighter thread? Gankers crying about how hard their lives were gonna be.. Update happens, most freighters fit Cargo Expanders and become easier to gank than ever..

That was the point of my comment. The quote in my post was asking for gankers to get special privileges, hence the mockery.

Edit: Please include the conversation you are quoting. Quoting out of context is shisty at best.

More than 50% of your post can also be applied to Faction Warfare.... shall we nerf that as well?



This can be applied to Missioners as well.....



Like missions + FW, right?


Your entire argument is nothing more than a very poorly disguised "nerf people who make more isk than me / invest more time than me" and you should be permanently muted from ever speaking on the forums or in EVE again until you learn that some people are willing to spend time, money, and effort to get the best results they can.

Yes, but it is far easier to gank a mission ship in a mission than an incursion ship in an incursion site. It would be fine if your own logi saved your fleet from gankers, or you killed them off with your damage ships, but Sansha does it for you. Player interaction should be valued much higher than player vs mechanics or player vs npcs, as it is the lifeblood of the sandbox. No one wants an easy turkeyshoot of incursioners, just enough to keep you on your toes.



Some are there, but its mostly people trying to further optimize ISK/hr. If one was actually interested in making them accessible yet balanced risk/reward wise, move them all to lowsec and put in sites specifically for t1 ships. Content would be generated like no tomorrow.

You mean like lvl-1,2,3,4 missions, or C-1,2,3 WH's or DED-1,2,3,4 sites, Comsmos mission chains? now you want more low end PVE. Seems to certainly cant please all the people all the time.

if a ship is late broadcasting, it dies to sansha. if they are AFK, they die to sansha. if you didn't mount something incursioners have occasionally pondered using to draw aggro, then you would have less problems. you think the half dozen scrams that spawn in many pockets won't hold down your target if you select well? get the guy the lasers point at, and then magically you won't need scrams, web, and in some cases the guy will be jammed. why should CCP cater to your style above ours. we put effort into making it a science, and training people. you want CCP to make it possible for a ten hour hero to come in and jack up the efforts of 10-40 people, and the investments they've made in some cases for months, causing them to have to fly for more time than you've trained your character to replace it? HTFU gankers. you want it to be easy or risk free to gank, chose your targets, build your doctrines, train your pilots. you want to take the closest thing highsec gets to a proper PVP fleet down, then train a counter fleet.



there are lowsec incursions for those who want them. they are there. there exists no reason to do what you propose. T1 ships are accepted by at least a few communities. i believe helix accepts a few, i know warp to me does, and din last i checked allowed them. and those are just the fleets i know who allow T1 ships. you also want to take the thing closest to a 0.0 PVP fleet that highsec gets in terms of comp and strategy, and move it to a place where there are already similar resources, further depriving highsec of a taste of that glorious PVP and risk. hell, the other day i saw a gnosis in a fleet. that certainly isn't part of the "monoculture" that has been bandied about. in an HQ fleet no less. you just look at the bad points, or bad parts, and ignore the good bits. that would be like looking at Detroit and figuring the US a hell-hole, or terrorists and deciding islam is terrible. what you encountered exists, and even inside the group you are expressing vitriol at, it isn't that well liked or universally implemented. i've seen and even helped fit a bit of everything. the people wanting ISK/Hour aren't even the ones who really noticed this thread, b/c they are busy waving minimal gains in each others faces, as if it made them any better.



as for the guy who decided to resort to ad-hominem attacks against a member of the CSM, you do realize that those don't substitute for an argument of your own. what person would fly something worth a month of game time, with the tank of a frigate, past gate camps, while mounting no guns. what sort of person would fly ships packed to the brim with their assets, through systems that if people were intelligent, would be full of angry, greedy, or just plain bored gankers who now know your exact fit, your ETA, and in some cases, your skill levels, exact resist profiles, EHP, and other info. would it be that apron clutching carebear? because those are things incursioners deal with every week. we move upwards of 30 jumps in one go sometimes, passing through multiple gank hubs. and yet no one bothers to gank us why? because the gankers have become used to carebears, who require no effort or skill to attack. who give them delicious tears, rather than warping in a bunch of friends or alts to rep them and/or **** them up. why do we thrive? it is because incursions are that social barber shop, where a CFC capital FC can talk to a member of the CSM, or a miner can command the director of a major corp/alliance. we communicate and socialize. we adapt, react, overcome, and win. you want your kills handed to you, you go find somewhere else to gank. with the amount of trust and capital in the communities, you cannot defeat them without actually creating something similar.

Adapt or Die. your strategies for attempting to kill us are now outdated. update them, become an actual menace. with effort, you too could strike fear into the heart of people. or you could keep half assing it, and complaining on the forums that what we've built is Working As Intended. it's really funny to watch.