Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Are you insane?

You start screwing with Incursions and involve CCP, there is zero doubt the ISK / hour will get hammered again (remember the quadruple nerf?).
Leave them alone, go screw with something else.

ok as an inc runners and an inc fleet commander

why does it always need to be sansha do the pirate factions never attack?

Assaults are currently all over the place
you have one (NCN) site that takes for ever for the same pay out and is just as dangerous it makes no sense
decrease the danger or speed up that site

secondly the ratio from
VG-ASS-HQ
is off the wall
Assaults need to to be fixed / changed either speed them up or pay more, to keep in context with the others

For me id like to see more sansha or hopefully other factions
And A remaster of Assaults

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Thanks, I will

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Make scouts not useless. When we don't have numbers for VG it's over, since scouts are absolutely ******* worthless. They should pay more than l4's and be do-able by 2 pilots with beastly active tanks (read: marauders, pirate BS) or 3-5 pilots using 1 logi ship and 3/4 bs. Note that 1 logi + 4 bs dps is basically half a vanguard squad, so you can combine easily and hit VG's when you have numbers.

NCN needs to get scrapped. Getting NCN walled is boring as sin. I get the concept, making us use more shiptypes and stuff, but for us nullsec runners it just doesn't work; it's a headache transporting 30+ bs around nullsec already, adding more ships isn't happening.

Also, and this is massively bias, but why are we getting a litle bit more payout than HS for NS incursions? They don't have gate rats, travel fits, blops drops and enemy sov space to deal with and for that, the increases are pathetic. About 44% isk increase and 42% lp increase for most types of incursion system, and we get that by risking ships worth 500m > 1b. Wonderful. We have to constantly worry about what we're gonna lose when we get dropped, sort out warpout orders for the expensive **** or run in t1 bs hulls with nothing but t2 (no faction webs!!) and get **** poor isk/hr...

Not true. 0.0 are run but most small groups do not have the incursion communities to run them very effectively. When you look at the stats you need like 1000+ systems to have a 1/3 chance of having an incursion, which means that only CFC and N3/ PL have an ok chance of getting an incursion justifying an incursion community.

Sure the rest of us get incursions from time to time but it's highly unlikely. Better to go run high sec incursions where you can always get to an incursion. The last incursion i ran in provi we got the bar down to about 20%, we mostly ran armor BS T2 fitted with some people bringing a small amount of bling. Even with the 1.5 x payout we topped out at 100 million isk an hour, although most of the time we were running at 80 million isk per an hour, that's equal or less than a Hi-sec VG fleet. Not good. We have our coalition incursion channel which is more or less empty and fills up when we get an incursion and we need to clear it to use our jump bridges and ensure safe travel but it's not organised like hi-sec incursions. We have no DED space fitted ships, no pirate faction battleships, nothing fancy. It's just not worth having one in 0.0 for the 2% chance we get an incursion. It's impossible to run incursions in enemy sov because a BS gang is a slow moving and sure to be blobbed as soon as it appears in intel, never mind the logistics of when someone has to drop fleet and you need a replacement. You HAVE to own that sov to run that incursion, there's no way around it.

Like i said in my post before, we need more incursions in 0.0, the numbers are completely skewed against 0.0 and in favor of hi-sec incursions. If a new faction incursion was introduced i strongly believe it should be in low sec and 0.0 only so not to become a cheap hi-sec isk printing press and maintain the magic, and challenge, of incursions.

EDIT: oh yeah, increase that 1.5% multiplier so it's more worth while doing a 0.0 incursion when you have the opportunity.

First, bringing a booster into low-sec is not risky. Second, low/null *is* supposed to be risky. Disabling scrams/removing gates is too much. That reduces PvP, which is bad for low/null. The solution should be to increase the incentives for people to run the incursions. Yes, the payout isn't bad but there are other problems like:

1) You can't fit bling like HS incursions, which reduces the payout you get in comparison
2) You will die more often, which reduces the payout you get in comparison
3) You will get blobbed 99% of the time, which reduces the PvP content and fun for everyone
4) You need a decent sized fleet to do low/null incursions. there is nothing for small gangs, which makes it much less likely for people to run them. Organizing fleets of 10-40 for incursions running in low/null is inherently more difficult and thus will be less popular (though it should still be an option with high payouts for those that do it)

Delayed concord response like the tooltip info indicated years ago.

That would add some risk that is currently totally not present.

Either way this definitely needs to change.

Problem: incursions are far too mechanical and site clearing strategies are completely optimized, leading to very narrow fleet comps and fit requirements, no flexibility

Solution: introduce some random variability in the locations of spawns, the ships in each spawn, and the triggers, but using a sizeable pool of options for the RNG to choose from. This prevents impossible sites but increases difficulty

edit: this would also introduce risk into the system and disincentivize stacking faction modules worth billions if isk into each ship for minor performance gains

Slightly boost rewards if necessary

Problem: Incursion runners have had it too easy for too long and become spoiled.

Potential solution:
Make incursions last half as long as they do now and spawn further apart. While keeping the same payout per site this would effectively reduce overall isk per hour.
While people say the risk for reward in incursions is too low, the options for adding risk are limited. However you can fix the effort/reward more comfortably

Problem: NCNs

Potential Solution(s):
1. Make more retrictions for BC and below ships, increase their necessity.
2. Remove one pocket from the cruiser side.
3. Perhaps the easiest short term fix, remove the restriction. Personally I like the restriction and would like more sites to have them.

Problem: Content Stagnation

Potential Solution: Require specific items(consumable) to activate acceleration gates, which once activated fleet can enter after short period of time the gate locks again . Components for these 'keys' spawn amongst all incursion sites and/or blueprint for them can be bought from the concord lp store and must be manufactured first.


edit: Make having to scram the rats to prevent them warping away an actual thing.

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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290394
For suggestions, especially in regards to the mothership site.

Nullsec incursions are run more often recently, the only real barricade to them is enemy space, but the spawn rate is rather out of proportion to the number of systems and pilots. I'd say up the spawn cap in nullsec to 5-8, and possibly up the isk/hr a bit.

Lowsec ones are rarely if ever run, and are probably the most dangerous of incursions. Might want to give them the highest isk/hr to compensate.

Also, a notification of exactly how much you lost the contest by would be nice, either total DPS or %, or both.