Player Features and Ideas Discussion

e: No idea what the hell happened to my post.

Anyways, no.

Try it %) . Try opening up your incursion channel and gaining billions upon billions . You will see how it measures up .

That's just not true.

There are incursion communities out there that run HQ sites with T1 battleships. Not all types, mind, and yes, they encourage people to work towards the shiny, but T1s (and more importantly, new incursion runners) are never excluded.

So for those groups that choose to limit their fleets to only pirate battleships, that's a player choice. Can such shiny fleets run HQ sites faster? Sure. But it's not a requirement. I've been in HQ sites with some of these T1-utilizing groups where our worst isk/hour was 60 mil. That's pretty damn good, especially for newer folks or those that can't readily afford the more expensive stuff.

I believe that's my point,
It takes you and two, three alts to probe down the holes?
You spend most of your time waiting on spawns, sleepers, W-holes, gangs...
You need how many players on to start playing?
And how many members in your WH group get paid nothing for the 8 to 20 hours a week worth of work keeping the whole thing running? And then only get to make ISK if they get in fleet and grind like everyone else.

FC's feel responsible for every ship lost, regardless of whether it's a Gank or Sansha, many Incursion boats far exceed the cost of any Cap escalation dread/carrier, except nobody in the fleet is in your Corp, if it goes down it's up to you to grind the ISK to replace it, (Very few replacement funds pay for Battleships) the stress from this responsibility last from when they decide to form a fleet till several hours after they have docked up safe and sound.

So looking to kill things with expensive things is exactly what we do, just while we do everything else too.

I am not saying you do less for your ISK, or that WH life is easy, I am sure you grind hard for the ISK you get, but don't think Incursion life is easy, it's a different grind with more responsibility and less pay for most of the guys that make it happen.

There are some communities with enough commanders, and other people running the show behind the scenes, to fill an HQ fleet. without using alts. the amount of ISK they are expected to manage, track, and disburse, exceeds the budget of small alliances. and yet do you here about an incursioner going AWOL with a haul that would buy a titan? no. the level of involvement, responsibility, and time required to make these communities run is flat amazing. The technical resources a community may have at it's disposal is huge. websites, mailing lists, teamspeak servers, backups, forums, the dozen out of game communications tools that FCs use every day. the amount of RL money we invest in getting a community running is huge, much less the ISK, time, and effort. then think of the difficulties keeping people fitting properly, paying attention, alive, and then updating all this information for each change to incursions, the ships, drones, guns, ETC. then arguing with the people who don't get the idea, training replacements for fleet roles, training new FCs. it goes on and on.

If you want to mess with incursion communities, don't expect it to be easier than it was for us to set it up, or not by much. Pasta came up with a brute force method. Galmil is working on a more subtle method, and more power to them. if you won't dedicate the time, effort, or thought to come up with a method to kill us, as various parties already have, justify why CCP should cater to you. why should they cater to carebears like yourselves, who chose their engagement time, place, and forewarned about it, unlike the other party. I see no difference between you, and what you accuse us of, other than rather a bit of ill-reasoned whining. we don't take risks? you gankers chose your targets, and almost always get your target, unless you forgot to do your homework. the risk you take is small, and minimized, by doctrines, and training. just like ours. the isk just pours in, without much effort? explain to me how hard it is to get ISboxer, and hit F1 once to cycle the guns on fifty tornadoes? and the potential gains from it, huge. 20+ bill in less than 3 minutes, as pasta demonstrated. we fly with as little tank as possible to maximize profit? take a look at your own damned fits, and tell me you don't do the same. we craft monolithic structures to keep people from ******* us over? look at CODE, Pasta, and all these other groups who do the same thing you do, but with organization and a dash of paperwork binding it together.

HTFU, and fly dangerous. if any of us are carebears, then carebears we all are.

Eh. You should see the anti-ganking channel and you won't think that anymore.

FTFY

Or you could look up the box'd fleet that the ospreys paid to build..... Those are a bit spendy.

Problem: Prospect's can only take an NMC gate, which means someone cannot use it as a hack/ore drop ship.

Solution: Allow the prospect to take all gates

Edited to show it can now take NMC gates only.

Would be nice, another good addition would be the option to key bind more short cuts for tagging. So you could key bind 1 to 0 for numbers and the upper row of the letters for A to H or even further.

Another thing that would make stuff easier would be the ability to make links for mailing lists, so you don't have to type in the name but just press a link.