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Character Merging

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#41 - 2014-06-20 17:48:59 UTC
Kirilosk Hareka wrote:
Sorry guys I am not as underhanded and sneaky as you all are or as you all expect this to be...........all I asked is since I have been paying for my alts training time if I could merge those skills over, nothing more, nothing less.




means I get to make 2 alts on my account train them in nothing but what my main is missing mainly other races ships and guns and then just gain that sp when they are done training on my main?

why not save me the trouble and let me just pay to have 2 skills training on my main at the same time the end result is the same. Why stop at 2 make it every plex give an additional skill in training that way max skills will take no time at all as long as you are rich.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#42 - 2014-06-20 19:15:15 UTC
Kirilosk Hareka wrote:
Sorry guys I am not as underhanded and sneaky as you all are or as you all expect this to be...........all I asked is since I have been paying for my alts training time if I could merge those skills over, nothing more, nothing less.


again,

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kirilosk Hareka wrote:
Interesting point pay two plex.........

If I am merging the skill sets, taking the best from both (in my case it is just moving over the mining skills and drone skills for the most part) then there would only be one skill set training as I would only then have one character.

Worth discussing.....

No it isn't because the core skills will be duplicated, making at least a third of one toons sp redundant and unless you're going burn those this turns into a stealth sp reallocation thread .

Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#43 - 2014-06-20 19:52:01 UTC
How about only being able to merge once, or once a year or something like that and it costs something like 3 PLEX?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#44 - 2014-06-20 20:25:35 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
How about only being able to merge once, or once a year or something like that and it costs something like 3 PLEX?

And what of the duplicate skills?
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#45 - 2014-06-20 21:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
For those who like to skip a lot of sense, I'll just quote myself here ...
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Give me a moment, going through the locked threads...

K, just this week ... and its not long yet °°

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352131&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=351653&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=351548&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=351385&find=unread

Should say enough, and stop with your sneak Skill buybackremovalcleansing.

Adding the one I copied this from:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=353030&find=unread

And for those who can't see or won't read stickies or consider search functions:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6342&find=unread

Miscellaneous:

---> Skill buybackremovalcleansing .. each word is a link°°

Now seriously, cut it.

Edit: Not bumping , if you want to get rid of an alt, sell it, or sell both and buy another more fitting one. Otherwise, see above.

and the rules:

5) Before posting an idea, please check the Commonly Proposed Ideas Thread to see if there's already a topic running for it. Reposts will be locked and routed to the active thread.

16) Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-06-20 21:31:40 UTC
no, this is a stealth pay for extra skills thread.. not going to happen.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-06-20 21:46:05 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kirilosk Hareka wrote:
Sorry guys I am not as underhanded and sneaky as you all are or as you all expect this to be...........all I asked is since I have been paying for my alts training time if I could merge those skills over, nothing more, nothing less.


again,

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kirilosk Hareka wrote:
Interesting point pay two plex.........

If I am merging the skill sets, taking the best from both (in my case it is just moving over the mining skills and drone skills for the most part) then there would only be one skill set training as I would only then have one character.

Worth discussing.....

No it isn't because the core skills will be duplicated, making at least a third of one toons sp redundant and unless you're going burn those this turns into a stealth sp reallocation thread .

Considering the op didn't specify either way that means you assumed he would be wanting the duplications refunded as free SP. What is your objection for the opposite, where the duplications give nothing and amount tonothing but a loss for their redundancy.

Barbara Nichole wrote:
no, this is a stealth pay for extra skills thread.. not going to happen.
That boat sailed whenever the decision was made to allow players to have more than one account, or at least to not do anything to discourage it. Power of 2/Plex for training a second character further reinforces this. The only thing really being asked is if the efforts can be combined after individually completed.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#48 - 2014-06-20 22:59:31 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
As much as I like the idea, it won't happen. EVE is a game based on training time and "time" is how CCP makes its money.


Actually to be fair he's paid for the training time for both characters, that's indisputable. The idea is interesting; it seems a bit bloody stupid but I can't exactly think why it's a bit bloody stupid.


Weave in a bit of Sci fi and make it skill based via something like an infomorph conjoining, 1 character per skill level etc.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Llyona
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#49 - 2014-06-21 15:36:47 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
no, this is a stealth pay for extra skills thread.. not going to happen.


Actually, that happens all the time. You should check this place out. There's people shamelessly paying for extra skills and characters.

To be frank, I can see why the idea of character merging would be appealing to some. However, I think the only way this would ever work is if it's employed in a manner already mentioned. That is, you can only select one level of any skill from each character. For example, if one character has Shield Upgrades V and another has Shield Upgrades IV, you would only be able to pick one of those, with the other being sent to the void. This sort of system will end up with millions of SP being lost to the void, as pre-requisite skills (that are redundant in the merge) will be lost.

I also think that such a system should cost PLEX. My reasoning behind this is the same reasoning used for character transfers. Such a transaction requires a member of CCP to employ it. This costs CCP money and that money should be reclaimed from the person demanding the action take place.

EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#50 - 2014-06-21 17:06:05 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Kirilosk Hareka wrote:
Sorry guys I am not as underhanded and sneaky as you all are or as you all expect this to be...........all I asked is since I have been paying for my alts training time if I could merge those skills over, nothing more, nothing less.



Anyone have a copy of that "No in every language ever" post handy?

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Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Inshallah Eichman
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-06-22 08:13:08 UTC
Great idea!

A lot of people will be very sad and cry but you cannot make everyone happy.

We should also be allowed to PLEX for speed training because I get paid well at my job and buying PLEX is the best thing you can do in this game to save time.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#52 - 2014-06-22 08:58:50 UTC
Inshallah Eichman wrote:
Great idea!

A lot of people will be very sad and cry but you cannot make everyone happy.

We should also be allowed to PLEX for speed training because I get paid well at my job and buying PLEX is the best thing you can do in this game to save time.

You forgot the [/sarcasm] font

There is also an irony font with rainbow colours and such...
Inshallah Eichman
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-06-22 09:49:27 UTC
No I was being serious. I would love to just speed train all my alts by spending a couple hundred. Better than waiting years. Can't be bothered waiting forever. I have bought a few characters but they are usually named terribly or don't look like I want them to.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#54 - 2014-06-22 10:32:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
We know !

Good you can afford to be lazy and all smug about it.

And you can already hit yourself until you are pretty again.

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The game already has enough pay to win aspects in it, even if around a few corners, but that is not even the main issue here, which you seem to misunderstand.
This suggestion is nothing but recycling characters which already is a ban-able offense. The value of a character is not the total sum of his skill points alone. The avatar is the representation of the social aspect of a player, his reputation, the sum of all his social interactions, his political choices, his history merged with the history of EVE. You do not just purchase or accumulate skill points, you create, develop and/or trade an 'Entity'.

And on that note 'suggesting to make something accessible for everyone that is actually ban-able' this thread should actually be closed.
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#55 - 2014-06-22 12:24:34 UTC
Terrible idea. -1

Although I am curious, if two of the opposing gender Merged would they still have boobs? Would we now need to recognize a third gender to the game?

Ugh

Bad troll I guess.
Llyona
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#56 - 2014-06-22 18:59:41 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:


The game already has enough pay to win aspects in it

"Pay to win"

EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure.

Inshallah Eichman
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-06-22 21:48:58 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
We know !

Good you can afford to be lazy and all smug about it.

And you can already hit yourself until you are pretty again.

Big smile
Smile
Sad
X
Evil

The game already has enough pay to win aspects in it, even if around a few corners, but that is not even the main issue here, which you seem to misunderstand.
This suggestion is nothing but recycling characters which already is a ban-able offense. The value of a character is not the total sum of his skill points alone. The avatar is the representation of the social aspect of a player, his reputation, the sum of all his social interactions, his political choices, his history merged with the history of EVE. You do not just purchase or accumulate skill points, you create, develop and/or trade an 'Entity'.

And on that note 'suggesting to make something accessible for everyone that is actually ban-able' this thread should actually be closed.


Attacking me personally and insulting my looks (I think, I cannot really follow you, child) is not going to get this conversation anywhere. Basically my point is I have a job, and I pay your taxes, I don't have enough time to grind in EVE, which I love. I would rather just pay. Everything else in life is pay to win, hence you are a loser.

In EVE I would pay more money to be able to name my own characters instead of buying them. I don't see how this makes a difference. The character bazaar actually ends up being cheaper than how people are recommending PLEXing. Renaming them after selling them might be good too since it has NO connection to what they were before.

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#58 - 2014-06-22 22:39:32 UTC
Inshallah Eichman wrote:
Basically my point is I have a job, and I pay your taxes, I don't have enough time to grind in EVE, which I love. I would rather just pay. Everything else in life is pay to win, hence you are a loser.


Except u dont grind SP in EVE. Thats why so many of us like the skill system. We can train while we're at work.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Inshallah Eichman
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-06-22 23:06:40 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Inshallah Eichman wrote:
Basically my point is I have a job, and I pay your taxes, I don't have enough time to grind in EVE, which I love. I would rather just pay. Everything else in life is pay to win, hence you are a loser.


Except u dont grind SP in EVE. Thats why so many of us like the skill system. We can train while we're at work.



Yeah you're right. I'll say "time grind" or something. You know what I mean though.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#60 - 2014-06-22 23:13:57 UTC
Oh no, you gotta do or wait for 'something' ? OH NO, no no no, its a sneaky deaky "SOMETHING"-GRINDER.

WOW, you have a clever comment for everything ...

Ah well, I should shut it too.

2nd blocked.. I'm out.