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Dear CCP; a quick word about ammo:

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Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#1 - 2014-06-20 07:07:12 UTC
Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.

Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.

Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.

Thank you.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2014-06-20 07:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Oh man. Wait till the physicists start on the antimatter ammunition.

The destruction of such a weapon. STOP PHYSICS NOW....
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-06-20 07:15:07 UTC
*Frysquints at OP*

... not sure if serious or trolling.
Tebizla
#4 - 2014-06-20 07:32:15 UTC
I can imagine the discussion OP had regarding this subject with his fellow corpmembers on comms ... Roll

Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ...

Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#5 - 2014-06-20 07:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
So you are concerned about Uranium ammunition getting a (even more) bad reputation? Roll

Original:
Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with an extra toe on your forehead.

Corrected:
Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with gulf war syndrome. May include but is not limited to: chronic fatigue/Headache, Memory problems, muscle pain, Diarrhea, Neurological problems, terminal tumors, respiratory problems, post-traumatic stress disorder, chronic multi-symptom illnesses, skin conditions and Arthritis.

I like the original better, it's a bit less depressing.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#6 - 2014-06-20 07:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Ban Nuclear Ammo

Use only clean, efficient lasers (to burn away unwanted sebiestor filth)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#7 - 2014-06-20 07:50:38 UTC
* Sends Ramona some lovely extra toe ammunition from 1400s * Big smile

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#8 - 2014-06-20 07:57:40 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Misinformation is toxic.


So is taking yourself too seriously.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#9 - 2014-06-20 08:06:54 UTC
Xearal wrote:
Gurgling sounds


Yes dear. Im sure whatever you said made sense in your "language"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#10 - 2014-06-20 08:09:25 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Oh man. Wait till the physicists start on the antimatter ammunition.

The destruction of such a weapon. STOP PHYSICS NOW....


I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#11 - 2014-06-20 08:22:45 UTC
Wow. Just when I thought bullets were supposed to be dangerous, and cause organ failure.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2014-06-20 08:26:29 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Misinformation is toxic.

+1 just for that.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#13 - 2014-06-20 08:30:32 UTC
Carniflex wrote:
I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter.

Go on then. I dare ya.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#14 - 2014-06-20 08:59:39 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Carniflex wrote:
I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter.

Go on then. I dare ya.



Handling antimatter can actually make you glow you know. (and not only in dark). As I am pretty happy with my current not particularly glowing state I have to, unfortunately, turn down the offer.

It is, however, relatively easy DIY the launch (in theory).

(1) get to orbit (preferably somewhere beyond Jupiter as I kinda still like Earth)
(2) sit in a barrel. one end should be substantially thicker than the other end (not that it will help you much but its the thought that counts).
(3) Point the thinner end towards the nearest star.
(4) Put the brick of antimatter (few kg should suffice for your purposes) behind the thicker end of the barrel. Release the containment field.
(5) Some part of you will be arriving at the nearest star in approx 4 years (if you would have hypothetical observer glued to your head, for outside observers the time might seem a bit longer).

Note that the resulting high energy flash will be sufficient to dissolve all molecular bonds in some radius (depends on what amount of antimatter you are using exactly) which is probably somewhat larger than the barrel you are using. For reference for a regular nuclear explosion in vaccuum the x-ray flash should be able to do in few km radius.

Or you can do it boring way. The controlled reaction of throwing a little bit of antimatter and matter togehter resulting in tiny energy flashes at some interval accelerating and deaccelerating you at relatively safe rates.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#15 - 2014-06-20 09:01:21 UTC
Carniflex wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Carniflex wrote:
I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter.

Go on then. I dare ya.



Handling antimatter can actually make you glow you know. (and not only in dark). As I am pretty happy with my current not particularly glowing state I have to, unfortunately, turn down the offer.

It is, however, relatively easy DIY the launch (in theory).

(1) get to orbit (preferably somewhere beyond Jupiter as I kinda still like Earth)
(2) sit in a barrel. one end should be substantially thicker than the other end (not that it will help you much but its the thought that counts).
(3) Point the thinner end towards the nearest star.
(4) Put the brick of antimatter (few kg should suffice for your purposes) behind the thicker end of the barrel. Release the containment field.
(5) Some part of you will be arriving at the nearest star in approx 4 years (if you would have hypothetical observer glued to your head, for outside observers the time might seem a bit longer).

Note that the resulting high energy flash will be sufficient to dissolve all molecular bonds in some radius (depends on what amount of antimatter you are using exactly) which is probably somewhat larger than the barrel you are using. For reference for a regular nuclear explosion in vaccuum the x-ray flash should be able to do in few km radius.

Or you can do it boring way. The controlled reaction of throwing a little bit of antimatter and matter togehter resulting in tiny energy flashes at some interval accelerating and deaccelerating you at relatively safe rates.


Such a messy way of generating power

Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#16 - 2014-06-20 09:06:34 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ban Nuclear Ammo

Use only clear, efficient lasers (to burn away unwanted sebiestor filth)


When you say it like that I actually get slightly aroused. We should 1vs1 sometime. You know... if you feel like getting dirty that is. Blink
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#17 - 2014-06-20 09:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
When you say it like that I actually get slightly aroused. We should 1vs1 sometime. You know... if you feel like getting dirty that is. Blink


<---------- "The Avatar Creator has unfortunately reached its maximum level of Scornful Distaste and must restart"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-06-20 09:23:27 UTC
I've changed my ammo type to Exotic dancers way back. Makes quite a mess and takes half your **** when you clean them off.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#19 - 2014-06-20 09:37:33 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Random stuff


Hey there, I happen to be an engineer. should I tell you what's wrong with eve from my view?
Perhaps I should also call my physicist friend to tell you what is wrong with eve from his perspective.

Eve isn't a simulator, if you wan't to play a space simulator go become an astronaut.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-06-20 09:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Misinformation is toxic.



Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson isn't this anal. It's only misinformation if it's stated as fact. Since it's a game, ie fictional, it's not being stated as fact, therefore it's not misinformation. It is, in fact, fiction, just like spaceships and warp drives.

But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

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