Player Features and Ideas Discussion

IF you remove pilots showing up in local, you will see the game numbers drop to 1/10 they are now.

This is completely rubbish and there is no basis for this statement.

Local is the cause of many issues and is not consistent with the concept of EVE. Having a continual reporting system is the problem.

You cannot make that claim either.

The difference between null-sec and W-space is not solely the absence of a local channel.


To be honest there is so much whining about change to the status quo that you will eventually just have a game like an X-universe (at least in null-sec) where PvE is the only option.

Anyone who plays for the competition and challenge of PvP will be in FW or will have left the game.

If no local really provided better PvP there would be allot more of it in wspace.

None of the other differences would keep players out. The PvP in wormholes is bad. You have insufficient Intel to make intelligent choices.

I find the idea that null without local is constantly being compared to wormhole space, absurd.

Wormhole space =/= (null - local)

That's like comparing a city block with the lights out, to being like the wild jungle. Sure, neither has working streetlights, but this hardly makes them equals.

So little PvP in wormhole space?
It is probably attributable to the fact that the population in WH space is that much smaller.
Seriously, they don't run into each other by accident as often, and they tend to be more careful about their actions.

Why are their fewer people in WH space?
It is very inconvenient compared to regular space, since it is missing:

Live and stable gate connections to other sections of space, and between internal systems.
Outposts, NPC and player built both. This includes the sub category of med clones and jump clones as an additional difference.
The Market. Present in all it's glory, even if only stocked by player activity and some minor NPC items.
Cyno capability, both covert and regular.


Yeah, I can't say local helps find good quality PvP... at least, not how I would define good quality PvP.
How this is a failing to my argument is also a mystery.
All I see are consensual fights taking place, with genuine strategic targets often proving immune to persecution.
If you are keen on asking your opponent's permission first, good for you.

I also cannot explain bronies. Again, this seems to take away nothing from my points, but we somehow got on the topic of things I cannot explain...

The intel channels run by alliances and coalitions are quick and easy for players to report, simply by dragging and dropping the player name, system etc. It takes two secs and you can have half of EVE aware of a neutral player or group moving through a system.

With larger groups the intel becomes very regular and detailed. This is not a bad thing and is developed by alliances and creates great content.

The issue is the local window broadcasting everyone in a system, their details, when they enter and when they leave. This is totally overpowered and eliminates content from EVE.

As soon as a neutral player enters a system occupied by an alliance member, the intel report goes up to the whole alliance and everyone within X jumps will move immediately to a safe or a station.

You can roam through null sec for hours not finding anyone unless they are AFK, a newbie or someone who wants a fight and brought 10 players with them.

Why is null sec stagnate = The Local Window is a big part of the issue.

Remove the Local Window and replace with deployables which provide limited range and time notification to the players in the system.

Have the system pull down reports on players after 1 min (or some other timeframe) instead of the current instant and cotinuous reporting process Local provides.

Nikk Narrel
Ok, point one... PvP occurrences based on accidental encounters, changes with population at far more than a 1:1 ratio.
Each player not present removes a chance from EVERY hostile potential, not just a single individual.

True enough and more people are now in low sec and null sec because the pvp is good. If the pvp were really better in wormholes they would be crowded. But the pvp sucks so they are empty.

Nikk Narrel
Does local become the deciding point for these players?
ONLY if they are focused on strictly consensual encounters, and wish to effectively avoid PvP the rest of the time.

Wrong and again it shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Nikk Narrel
A supply chain is vital, and cannot be eliminated, for PvP actions. The absence of a market may not affect an individual pilot specifically, but those MUST have logistics in place that need to overcome far more obstacles than their null counterparts do.

You may not have transported that ship out, to replace your recent losses, but someone had to do it for you.
And it's a fairly safe bet the WH logi guy needed to be more diligent and resourceful than a pilot making a similar trip to null.

I generally transport my own ships and mods to where ever I base. It's not that hard to do. Just about every corp has someone who can help with that if you are new.

Supplying a pos in a worm hole is not much different than supplying a low or null sec station or pos.

This is completely rubbish and there is no basis for this statement.

Local is the cause of many issues and is not consistent with the concept of EVE. Having a continual reporting system is the problem.

This is completely rubbish and there is no basis for this statement.