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My First Trip to Aufay

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Cyran Reinhard
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-06-19 00:13:40 UTC
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#22 - 2014-06-19 00:45:20 UTC
Cyran Reinhard wrote:
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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-06-19 01:04:20 UTC
Dally Lama wrote:


Also, nice to see a legitimate use for the bounty system.


There is no legitimate use for the bounty system. All of those ships were going to die no matter what. The bounty did nothing to encourage the loss. The bounty also did nothing to stop the gank. OP admits that nothing he did stopped the freighters from being ganked. If OP wanted to collect the bounties, knowing the can't stop the gank anyway, he'd be better off in a T1 Cruiser, armor tanked, with the mids full of target painters. Light up the gankers, especially the Taloses since they cost more. Collect the bounty and the gankers won't mess with you because you aren't actually interfering with them.

So the person placing the bounty gets nothing for their isk. Bounties are only useful to make carebears cry when they receive them and think they mean anything. Hardly a compelling game mechanic.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#24 - 2014-06-19 01:16:01 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Dally Lama wrote:


Also, nice to see a legitimate use for the bounty system.


There is no legitimate use for the bounty system. All of those ships were going to die no matter what. The bounty did nothing to encourage the loss. The bounty also did nothing to stop the gank. OP admits that nothing he did stopped the freighters from being ganked. If OP wanted to collect the bounties, knowing the can't stop the gank anyway, he'd be better off in a T1 Cruiser, armor tanked, with the mids full of target painters. Light up the gankers, especially the Taloses since they cost more. Collect the bounty and the gankers won't mess with you because you aren't actually interfering with them.

So the person placing the bounty gets nothing for their isk. Bounties are only useful to make carebears cry when they receive them and think they mean anything. Hardly a compelling game mechanic.


And if you consider that all of our bounties come from angry miners and freighters who have taken losses and decided to throw money away on "bounty" versus learning how to not be terriabad at Eve Online, it becomes a grand circle of LOL - as the bounty you are collecting is just misplaced carebear tears, and when placing it the carebear assumed that somehow some kind of "revenge" would be achieved.

But, high-sec carebears will always find new and creative ways to totally throw money in the fire.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#25 - 2014-06-19 02:48:37 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
I am simply amazed at the sheer number of Eve players who assume that anyone who dares engage them in combat must be some kind of sociopath bully type and then totally shuts their brain down to any other possibility.
It's all true!

Who put the goat in there?

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#26 - 2014-06-19 04:19:10 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
I am simply amazed at the sheer number of Eve players who assume that anyone who dares engage them in combat must be some kind of sociopath bully type and then totally shuts their brain down to any other possibility.
It's all true!


I am literally throwing money at the screen right now and pressing like with my ENTIRE FIST.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#27 - 2014-06-19 11:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Dally Lama wrote:


Also, nice to see a legitimate use for the bounty system.


There is no legitimate use for the bounty system. All of those ships were going to die no matter what. The bounty did nothing to encourage the loss. The bounty also did nothing to stop the gank. OP admits that nothing he did stopped the freighters from being ganked. If OP wanted to collect the bounties, knowing the can't stop the gank anyway, he'd be better off in a T1 Cruiser, armor tanked, with the mids full of target painters. Light up the gankers, especially the Taloses since they cost more. Collect the bounty and the gankers won't mess with you because you aren't actually interfering with them.

So the person placing the bounty gets nothing for their isk. Bounties are only useful to make carebears cry when they receive them and think they mean anything. Hardly a compelling game mechanic.


And if you consider that all of our bounties come from angry miners and freighters who have taken losses and decided to throw money away on "bounty" versus learning how to not be terriabad at Eve Online, it becomes a grand circle of LOL - as the bounty you are collecting is just misplaced carebear tears, and when placing it the carebear assumed that somehow some kind of "revenge" would be achieved.

But, high-sec carebears will always find new and creative ways to totally throw money in the fire.


As the official CODE. diplomat, let me ask you: if a third party such as myself were to take advantage of this ISK-making opportunity in a manner that does not interfere with CODE. content creation, could they expect reprisals? A cheap destroyer (ironically, a Catalyst would work wonderfully) with a full tack of guns, each set to not auto-repeat so as to minimize damage caused, could likely harvest bounties at a goodly rate with little personal risk.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#28 - 2014-06-19 11:12:46 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:


As the official CODE. diplomat, let me ask you: if a third party such as myself were to take advantage of this ISK-making opportunity in a manner that does not interfere with CODE. content creation, could they expect reprisals? A cheap destroyer (ironically, a Catalyst would work wonderfully) with a full tack of guns, each set to not auto-repeat so as to minimize damage caused, could likely harvest bounties at a goodly rate with little personal risk.


We really don't care - however you should be aware that your presence on the field as a non-blue can and may result in you being shot down after our primary target is dead. General fleet practice is to melt anything that happens to be around if there is extra time to spare. :)

You can rest assured no member of the CODE. alliance will ever be upset if you decide to engage us in PVP to try to get at some of our sweet sweet bounty pool. I'd recommend doing this in a *very* cheap ship :P
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#29 - 2014-06-19 11:16:40 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:


As the official CODE. diplomat, let me ask you: if a third party such as myself were to take advantage of this ISK-making opportunity in a manner that does not interfere with CODE. content creation, could they expect reprisals? A cheap destroyer (ironically, a Catalyst would work wonderfully) with a full tack of guns, each set to not auto-repeat so as to minimize damage caused, could likely harvest bounties at a goodly rate with little personal risk.


We really don't care - however you should be aware that your presence on the field as a non-blue can and may result in you being shot down after our primary target is dead. General fleet practice is to melt anything that happens to be around if there is extra time to spare. :)

You can rest assured no member of the CODE. alliance will ever be upset if you decide to engage us in PVP to try to get at some of our sweet sweet bounty pool. I'd recommend doing this in a *very* cheap ship :P

I was speaking more of wardecs, reprisals, etc. I have no expectations of special treatment on the field as a non-blue; unlike the targets you hunt, I know that my only ally there is my wits.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#30 - 2014-06-19 11:27:49 UTC
Like honestly as long as you don't get in the way and stay at range from us I personally don't mind people whoring to get bounties.

Split guns on a thrasher and just get a shot of on everything it's like 10mil per talos and 1-2 mil per catalyst.

The anti gankers know not to come around as they end up becoming targets or laughed out of system due to the whole "ganking is bullying" and "podding is the equivalent to real life murder" bullshit they spew in local.

It's an amazing site to see to watch us in action.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#31 - 2014-06-19 11:34:23 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
Like honestly as long as you don't get in the way and stay at range from us I personally don't mind people whoring to get bounties.

Split guns on a thrasher and just get a shot of on everything it's like 10mil per talos and 1-2 mil per catalyst.

The anti gankers know not to come around as they end up becoming targets or laughed out of system due to the whole "ganking is bullying" and "podding is the equivalent to real life murder" bullshit they spew in local.

It's an amazing site to see to watch us in action.


I actually went with a rail Catalyst: partly for the irony, partly to keep far enough from the gank to not get in the way.

It is rather impressive, yes.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#32 - 2014-06-19 12:04:21 UTC
Use a rainbow Coercer.
Be fabulous!

Who put the goat in there?

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#33 - 2014-06-19 12:51:35 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Use a rainbow Coercer.
Be fabulous!


I may have to try this....

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-06-19 16:27:32 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Being a fan of Gonzo Journalism, and seeing as how I have recently been curious about what CODE. is all about and why nobody seems to be stopping them, I decided to travel to Aufay and find out for myself.

First, I needed a ship. I did a little bit of planning and tried to figure out what would be the most effective platform to interfere with a suicide gank. Obviously I wasn't going to out-gank them single-handedly, so I turned to the only game mechanic broken enough to allow one ship to completely shut down several ships for the length of time that it takes CONCORD to kill someone: ECM.

I wasn't about to risk a Falcon on my first outing; the ability to move around while cloaked is nice, but the pricetag wasn't warranted in my book. Plus, there was the little bit about the targeting delay after de-coaking. Speed is of the essence to someone who only has 30 seconds to engage, and a 12 second delay would all but negate my ability to jam. I contemplated using a Blackbird or a Kitsune, but the inability to cloak meant that I was just as much a target as the poor hapless freighters CODE. was targeting.

So, as I often do, I tried something...different. I wanted stealth without a targeting delay, and I knew that my primary jamming target (Catalyst) had low sensor strength, so I decided to forgo the ECM-bonused hull and went with a Manticore: I had stealth, I had midslots, I had CPU, and I could get passable jam strength for a destroyer while still fitting a cloak and a full rack of launchers. I was quite proud of myself.

Last night (US EST), I traveled to Aufay. I didn't have much time to look around, but I can see now why it's such a good system for ganking freighters. Small, along a trade route, only two gates, and it's a 0.5 system to boot. I decided to join the channel "Anti-Ganking" to see if there was any activity, and there wasn't. (There were, however, a few suggested anti-ganking fits, and one of them was an ECM Stealth Bomber. This bumped the pride in my creativity down a few notches.)

So fast forward to this morning, right before downtime. I warp to one of the gates and see a Macharial bumping an Anshar. Two things immediately jump out at me. First, a gank must be imminent. Second, who the heck flies a jump freighter through gates in a system known to have a heavy CODE. presence? I put away my disbelief and watch my DScan and sure enough, a fleet materializes. They appear on grid and go flashy and I start locking them up without paying any mind to what it is I'm targeting; this was my first time in non-trivial combat since being out of game for a number of years and I didn't want to screw it up.

Fast forward 30 seconds and the Anshar is a wreck surrounded by a bunch of other wrecks and a swarm of CONCORD ships. I check my kill log and it turns out I did, indeed, make it on 4 killmails. However, they were mostly Taloses, so it's very doubtful that I actually jammed any of them. Oh well, lesson learned: next time, don't just go for the flashies, go for the flashy catalysts.

As fate would have it, my next time was only minutes away. A Fenrir end up on the same gate being bumped by the same Macharial. Another fleet materializes and I engage this one as well. I do a better job picking my targets and actually direct my jammers at Catalysts and my launchers at other targets. As did the Anshar, the Fenrir was soon destroyed.

Shortly before the Fenrir met it's fate, the Anshar pilot speaks up in Anti-Ganking. Here is a snippet of what followed:

Quote:
Anshar Pilot > o7
AG Member 1 > o/
Anshar Pilot > just lost a jump frieghter =P looks like ill be using bulkheads afterall
Yours Truely > Why were you using a jump freighter to go gate to gate? Undock, jump to your destination.
Yours Truely > And through Aufay? Really?
Anshar Pilot > hah
Anshar Pilot > look at you
Anshar Pilot > your going right to my super exclusive block list
Yours Truely > Hey, I'm just trying to help you not get ganked.


Any desire I may have had to help freighter pilots not get ganked by CODE. and their allies pretty much vanished in that moment. I mean, seriously, I try to help someone in an anti-ganking channel not get ganked, and I get blocked (and later reported to a channel admin) for it?

Sigh. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Just before downtime, I noticed that my notifications button was flashing, so I clicked it. I had received a number of notifications from CONCORD regarding the collection of bounties from the gankers I had targeted. To my surprise, I had earned enough in bounties from 15 minutes of work to mostly pay off the cost of the Manticore I was flying. This was something that I could get behind!



So what's the moral of my story? Screw the freighter pilots and miners. They don't want my help. I'm going to try my hand at White Knighting for a while purely for the ISK. I guess that makes me a "content creator" too. Twisted


Very nice decision to create content for yourself that you find fun.

Personally I would not help those people purely out of principle, I seriously doubt the pilot you spoke to is unique in his belligerence and stupidity.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-06-19 19:13:02 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Use a rainbow Coercer.
Be fabulous!


Ok now I want to do that.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#36 - 2014-06-19 20:57:28 UTC
Good read, thanks for the effort.

What happens to a bounty if only CONCORD is on the kill? I'm guessing it doesn't decrease.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-06-19 21:03:42 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Good read, thanks for the effort.

What happens to a bounty if only CONCORD is on the kill? I'm guessing it doesn't decrease.


That is correct. Concorde doesn't get to collect bounties, so nothing gets payed out. As soon as a capsuleer is on the killmail there's a payout.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-06-19 22:15:58 UTC
This could prove to make the weekend much more entertaining me thinks.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#39 - 2014-06-19 23:50:20 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:


You've witnessed first hand the reason the "anti-gankers" bring nothing but fail to the table. The channels they have created are toxic, full of misinformation and paranoia, and to even suggest that perhaps even the slightest adjustment to the way they feel *entitled* to play Eve (A totally safe high-sec where they are free to make money while AFK and on auto with awful fittings) results in rage, namecalling, and generally a instant channel ban. Rather then do what any other group that wishes to have power in EVE does (get organized, do their homework, and flex their muscles on the field) - the "anti-gankers" would rather cry about how "ganking is bullying", "catalysts/brutix/talos/vexor/whatever are overpowered", "gankers are sociopaths", "CCP needs to do something", etc) they are content to just lurk in the toxic and unfriendly corner they have carved out for themselves.

It's actually pretty depressing. Even the friendly and generally chill in-public anti-gankers tend to be toxic when they are around their supporters. We see this all the time, and it really starts to become obvious that the anti-gankers tend to be rather angry and toxic people. In private channels, they degrade to nothing but a contest of who can come up with the most witty insults against anyone who does not have the exact same playstyle they do, and a paranoid den that is convinced that anyone who does not agree with them must be a top secret alt of someone out to get them somehow. Sprinkle in a bunch of references to bodily fluids, sexual acts, real life violence, rage and paranoia - and you have the average anti-ganking channel.

It gets old.

Try this.

Join the minerbumping channel in game. **PW redacted by Sabriz**. We are open to all (but will ban anyone spamming, being obnoxious, or treating others poorly). You'll notice quickly that in our channels we are happy to share information, discuss fitting and strategy, and if you have spent anytime in the "anti-ganking" channels, you'll also notice a strange lack of namecalling, references to sexual acts, homophobic remarks, personal attacks, threats of RL violence, anger, rage, misinformation, and general tin-foil hattery.

Glad you were able to cash in a little bit on some of our bounty, and I wish you a GF and am glad you came out and put some muscle on the field. For more fun, consider training up those core ganking skills and joining us, trust me - you'll have a much better time then you will have hanging with the "anti-gankers".



This is so true.

When I put an alt in the anti-ganking channel to spy on it, the level of visceral hatred and XBOX live style chat really surprised me. (They're a pretty obvious alt too, anti-ganking mods, if you are reading this). This wasn't even them talking to gankers, it was the way they talk to each other.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#40 - 2014-06-20 01:03:04 UTC
Really CODE should do this just to reap their own bounties
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