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My First Trip to Aufay

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#1 - 2014-06-18 11:39:24 UTC
Being a fan of Gonzo Journalism, and seeing as how I have recently been curious about what CODE. is all about and why nobody seems to be stopping them, I decided to travel to Aufay and find out for myself.

First, I needed a ship. I did a little bit of planning and tried to figure out what would be the most effective platform to interfere with a suicide gank. Obviously I wasn't going to out-gank them single-handedly, so I turned to the only game mechanic broken enough to allow one ship to completely shut down several ships for the length of time that it takes CONCORD to kill someone: ECM.

I wasn't about to risk a Falcon on my first outing; the ability to move around while cloaked is nice, but the pricetag wasn't warranted in my book. Plus, there was the little bit about the targeting delay after de-coaking. Speed is of the essence to someone who only has 30 seconds to engage, and a 12 second delay would all but negate my ability to jam. I contemplated using a Blackbird or a Kitsune, but the inability to cloak meant that I was just as much a target as the poor hapless freighters CODE. was targeting.

So, as I often do, I tried something...different. I wanted stealth without a targeting delay, and I knew that my primary jamming target (Catalyst) had low sensor strength, so I decided to forgo the ECM-bonused hull and went with a Manticore: I had stealth, I had midslots, I had CPU, and I could get passable jam strength for a destroyer while still fitting a cloak and a full rack of launchers. I was quite proud of myself.

Last night (US EST), I traveled to Aufay. I didn't have much time to look around, but I can see now why it's such a good system for ganking freighters. Small, along a trade route, only two gates, and it's a 0.5 system to boot. I decided to join the channel "Anti-Ganking" to see if there was any activity, and there wasn't. (There were, however, a few suggested anti-ganking fits, and one of them was an ECM Stealth Bomber. This bumped the pride in my creativity down a few notches.)

So fast forward to this morning, right before downtime. I warp to one of the gates and see a Macharial bumping an Anshar. Two things immediately jump out at me. First, a gank must be imminent. Second, who the heck flies a jump freighter through gates in a system known to have a heavy CODE. presence? I put away my disbelief and watch my DScan and sure enough, a fleet materializes. They appear on grid and go flashy and I start locking them up without paying any mind to what it is I'm targeting; this was my first time in non-trivial combat since being out of game for a number of years and I didn't want to screw it up.

Fast forward 30 seconds and the Anshar is a wreck surrounded by a bunch of other wrecks and a swarm of CONCORD ships. I check my kill log and it turns out I did, indeed, make it on 4 killmails. However, they were mostly Taloses, so it's very doubtful that I actually jammed any of them. Oh well, lesson learned: next time, don't just go for the flashies, go for the flashy catalysts.

As fate would have it, my next time was only minutes away. A Fenrir end up on the same gate being bumped by the same Macharial. Another fleet materializes and I engage this one as well. I do a better job picking my targets and actually direct my jammers at Catalysts and my launchers at other targets. As did the Anshar, the Fenrir was soon destroyed.

Shortly before the Fenrir met it's fate, the Anshar pilot speaks up in Anti-Ganking. Here is a snippet of what followed:

Quote:
Anshar Pilot > o7
AG Member 1 > o/
Anshar Pilot > just lost a jump frieghter =P looks like ill be using bulkheads afterall
Yours Truely > Why were you using a jump freighter to go gate to gate? Undock, jump to your destination.
Yours Truely > And through Aufay? Really?
Anshar Pilot > hah
Anshar Pilot > look at you
Anshar Pilot > your going right to my super exclusive block list
Yours Truely > Hey, I'm just trying to help you not get ganked.


Any desire I may have had to help freighter pilots not get ganked by CODE. and their allies pretty much vanished in that moment. I mean, seriously, I try to help someone in an anti-ganking channel not get ganked, and I get blocked (and later reported to a channel admin) for it?

Sigh. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Just before downtime, I noticed that my notifications button was flashing, so I clicked it. I had received a number of notifications from CONCORD regarding the collection of bounties from the gankers I had targeted. To my surprise, I had earned enough in bounties from 15 minutes of work to mostly pay off the cost of the Manticore I was flying. This was something that I could get behind!



So what's the moral of my story? Screw the freighter pilots and miners. They don't want my help. I'm going to try my hand at White Knighting for a while purely for the ISK. I guess that makes me a "content creator" too. Twisted

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Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#2 - 2014-06-18 11:49:11 UTC
Don't know how much content that is to be fair, but good on you capitalising on bounty isk like that. Maybe a KM whoring Thrasher with salvager in utility high might be good to also cash in some on that salvage. Or just burn straight for the money and steal the loot.

Get on Comms, or die typing.

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#3 - 2014-06-18 12:00:44 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Don't know how much content that is to be fair, but good on you capitalising on bounty isk like that. Maybe a KM whoring Thrasher with salvager in utility high might be good to also cash in some on that salvage. Or just burn straight for the money and steal the loot.


While I do plan to re-evaluate my tactics now that I've had a change of heart, I think the instant-targeting-after-uncloaking of he stealth bomber will keep it as my ship of choice for now.

Looting the wrecks doesn't seem practical. The last thing I want to to be suspect flagged around a bunch of CODE. members in a ship big enough to hold loot that dropped from a freighter. I want to create content, not become content. On the other hand, raking in the bounties is virtually risk-free, and I get to keep my sec status to boot.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#4 - 2014-06-18 12:19:22 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Don't know how much content that is to be fair, but good on you capitalising on bounty isk like that. Maybe a KM whoring Thrasher with salvager in utility high might be good to also cash in some on that salvage. Or just burn straight for the money and steal the loot.


Or better yet, join CODE. We are actually friendly and appreciate people who help us. And we'll never ban you from our channel for assisting a gank.

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Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-18 13:05:02 UTC
Greetings OP,

You'd be surprised how many people start out as white knights and quickly change sides after seeing the hateful bile spewed by the anti-gank crowd.

I predict soon you'll either switch sides, or the gank fleets will bring an arty thrasher or two and start one shotting your stealth bombers, but I'm glad you're having fun!

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

minerbumping.com

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2014-06-18 13:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
Soylent Jade wrote:
I predict soon you'll either switch sides, or the gank fleets will bring an arty thrasher or two and start one shotting your stealth bombers, but I'm glad you're having fun!


I doubt that I'll join the New Order, at least not in the foreseeable future. Not out of honor, morality, distaste of their activities, or anything else so "noble", but instead because I rather like my sec status and I enjoy the freedom that operating alone brings.

The way I see it, every time a New Order pilot with a bounty on them dies in a suicide gank, there's opportunity to make ISK. More than likely, that ISK likely came from some hauler or miner who they helped gank. So when you think about it, White Knights are taking money from haulers and miners just like New Order pilots, albeit indirectly.

Ironic, no?

I figure I'll try my hand at this until I get bored (or I get volleyed by an Arty Thrasher as you mentioned) then go back to my other endeavors with a bit more ISK in my pocket and some stories to tell. I'm not looking to ruffle any feathers, just try new things. I've done the mission running bit, flown around in losec, been in a big nullsec alliance, and even tried my hand at mining. This is just one more thing to try on my path to maximizing my EvE experience.

Cheers! I'd tell you to fly safe, but we both know you won't. Blink

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I predicted FAUXs

Officer Arutha
Summer Tramp Initiative
#7 - 2014-06-18 13:36:43 UTC
That was a really good read, can't say I'm shocked about the freighter pilot's reaction. The saying you put reflects it perfectly.

A man with a conker is also a man with safety goggles, a protective helmet and specialised impact resistant gloves.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-06-18 14:17:25 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I want to create content, not become content.


Best. Quote.Ever.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#9 - 2014-06-18 14:51:02 UTC
I don't think you even need the cloaking ability. Any small fast ship orbiting the doomed freighter will work out. The gank ships are set up to wonk a freighter - not swat a pesky frigate orbiting at speed. I doubt they would bother anyway. As long as you're not swiping thier loot or stopping them from completing the gank - you're not affecting what they are doing.

If you really wanted to help the freighter out (which they seem to not want help), try getting your own mach and see if you can bump the freighter onto the gate so he can jump. This activity may actually be both challenging and fun. A kind of reverse tug of war. Be sure to tank the mach up and have a mjd handy.

The other fun option would be to just orbit the 'doomed' freighter with a few logistics ships. Rep him as necessary. Once the CODE guys start to threaten you - feel free to make up some elaborate deep immersion role playing hoo haw about rescuing freighter pilots from (put hoo haw here - lots and lots of hoo haw... maybe make up a big web page of hoo haw and all the hoo haw that goes with the role play hoo haw - I'm just saying go deep"
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#10 - 2014-06-18 14:53:40 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The other fun option would be to just orbit the 'doomed' freighter with a few logistics ships. Rep him as necessary. Once the CODE guys start to threaten you - feel free to make up some elaborate deep immersion role playing hoo haw about rescuing freighter pilots from (put hoo haw here - lots and lots of hoo haw... maybe make up a big web page of hoo haw and all the hoo haw that goes with the role play hoo haw - I'm just saying go deep"


If I ever find myself needing to role play and go deep with lots of hoo haw, I assure you it will not be with an Internet spaceship. Blink

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Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-06-18 15:43:46 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The other fun option would be to just orbit the 'doomed' freighter with a few logistics ships. Rep him as necessary. Once the CODE guys start to threaten you - feel free to make up some elaborate deep immersion role playing hoo haw about rescuing freighter pilots from (put hoo haw here - lots and lots of hoo haw... maybe make up a big web page of hoo haw and all the hoo haw that goes with the role play hoo haw - I'm just saying go deep"


If I ever find myself needing to role play and go deep with lots of hoo haw, I assure you it will not be with an Internet spaceship. Blink


That's definitely bad advice. I guarantee you a logi ship *will* be ganked. Stick with the stealthy ECM.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#12 - 2014-06-18 15:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DJentropy Ovaert
Bronson Hughes wrote:


Any desire I may have had to help freighter pilots not get ganked by CODE. and their allies pretty much vanished in that moment. I mean, seriously, I try to help someone in an anti-ganking channel not get ganked, and I get blocked (and later reported to a channel admin) for it?

Sigh. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

......


So what's the moral of my story? Screw the freighter pilots and miners. They don't want my help. I'm going to try my hand at White Knighting for a while purely for the ISK. I guess that makes me a "content creator" too. Twisted


You've witnessed first hand the reason the "anti-gankers" bring nothing but fail to the table. The channels they have created are toxic, full of misinformation and paranoia, and to even suggest that perhaps even the slightest adjustment to the way they feel *entitled* to play Eve (A totally safe high-sec where they are free to make money while AFK and on auto with awful fittings) results in rage, namecalling, and generally a instant channel ban. Rather then do what any other group that wishes to have power in EVE does (get organized, do their homework, and flex their muscles on the field) - the "anti-gankers" would rather cry about how "ganking is bullying", "catalysts/brutix/talos/vexor/whatever are overpowered", "gankers are sociopaths", "CCP needs to do something", etc) they are content to just lurk in the toxic and unfriendly corner they have carved out for themselves.

It's actually pretty depressing. Even the friendly and generally chill in-public anti-gankers tend to be toxic when they are around their supporters. We see this all the time, and it really starts to become obvious that the anti-gankers tend to be rather angry and toxic people. In private channels, they degrade to nothing but a contest of who can come up with the most witty insults against anyone who does not have the exact same playstyle they do, and a paranoid den that is convinced that anyone who does not agree with them must be a top secret alt of someone out to get them somehow. Sprinkle in a bunch of references to bodily fluids, sexual acts, real life violence, rage and paranoia - and you have the average anti-ganking channel.

It gets old.

Try this.

Join the minerbumping channel in game. The password is 315. We are open to all (but will ban anyone spamming, being obnoxious, or treating others poorly). You'll notice quickly that in our channels we are happy to share information, discuss fitting and strategy, and if you have spent anytime in the "anti-ganking" channels, you'll also notice a strange lack of namecalling, references to sexual acts, homophobic remarks, personal attacks, threats of RL violence, anger, rage, misinformation, and general tin-foil hattery.

Glad you were able to cash in a little bit on some of our bounty, and I wish you a GF and am glad you came out and put some muscle on the field. For more fun, consider training up those core ganking skills and joining us, trust me - you'll have a much better time then you will have hanging with the "anti-gankers".
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-06-18 16:12:37 UTC
Wait, you mean it would be wrong to lash out at someone who tries to suggest that I did something stupid which lead to my demise, especially when said person was actively trying to help me out?

Learn something new everyday.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#14 - 2014-06-18 16:21:54 UTC
Soylent Jade wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The other fun option would be to just orbit the 'doomed' freighter with a few logistics ships. Rep him as necessary. Once the CODE guys start to threaten you - feel free to make up some elaborate deep immersion role playing hoo haw about rescuing freighter pilots from (put hoo haw here - lots and lots of hoo haw... maybe make up a big web page of hoo haw and all the hoo haw that goes with the role play hoo haw - I'm just saying go deep"


If I ever find myself needing to role play and go deep with lots of hoo haw, I assure you it will not be with an Internet spaceship. Blink


That's definitely bad advice. I guarantee you a logi ship *will* be ganked. Stick with the stealthy ECM.



See, you didn't even train logistics yet and they are already dropping threats your way!!! Also, 'a few logistics ships'


All my ideas are bad. Only some of my ideas are intentionally bad.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#15 - 2014-06-18 16:37:10 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Wait, you mean it would be wrong to lash out at someone who tries to suggest that I did something stupid which lead to my demise, especially when said person was actively trying to help me out?

Learn something new everyday.


This :)

I am simply amazed at the sheer number of Eve players who assume that anyone who dares engage them in combat must be some kind of sociopath bully type and then totally shuts their brain down to any other possibility.

I've just lost track of the number of miners who (after a bit of a cool down period, I know how high-sec miners can get!) I have shot down multiple times and after the third or fourth kill, realized they are still not learning and taken the time to shoot them a conversation or mail with links about how to tank, how to d-scan, how to show basic situation awareness - and almost every time I am responded to with rage, threats of RL violence, personal insults, and all manner of just plain creepy behavior.

It's great that we have have a game that manages to stir up so much emotion - but it's also depressing to see how many players who have been active for many years have still not managed to turn off the part of their brain that takes in-game combat as some kind of attack against them personally and thus justifies anything they might decide to type in response.

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-06-18 16:43:12 UTC
AG guys are fun to wardec.

Nice to see you want to create content. Maybe in the future you will be in my cross-hairs if you go further down the path of a white knight.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Immortal Chrono Pimpin
Codename-47
Avocado Cartel
#17 - 2014-06-18 17:01:23 UTC
Just train a alt or 2nd/3rd slot account into a catalyst and join CODE,

Tbh you will make more freighter ganking than by getting bountys.
Jaxi Wreckful
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#18 - 2014-06-18 19:41:49 UTC
Soylent Jade wrote:
Greetings OP,

You'd be surprised how many people start out as white knights and quickly change sides after seeing the hateful bile spewed by the anti-gank crowd.

I predict soon you'll either switch sides, or the gank fleets will bring an arty thrasher or two and start one shotting your stealth bombers, but I'm glad you're having fun!

So much this.
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#19 - 2014-06-18 23:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zero Sum Gain
Interesting isk making angle you found. Since you only need to tag in, not kill anyone, I wonder if a destroyer would maximize your bounties and reduce the risk of loss.
Dally Lama
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-06-19 00:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dally Lama
Jaxi Wreckful wrote:
Soylent Jade wrote:
Greetings OP,

You'd be surprised how many people start out as white knights and quickly change sides after seeing the hateful bile spewed by the anti-gank crowd.

I predict soon you'll either switch sides, or the gank fleets will bring an arty thrasher or two and start one shotting your stealth bombers, but I'm glad you're having fun!

So much this.

Sooooooooo much.

Also, nice to see a legitimate use for the bounty system.
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