Player Features and Ideas Discussion

never thought Id agree with snot but I do!

please make it so

Love the Idea. +1

Supported and Bumped!!! +1

+1

, actually surprised about the general positive tone of the thread.

Here's a thought:

Kill the Sov mechanics, just like Snot said.

If we want to define something afterwards, having learned from this mess, that's another issue to be handled... LATER.

Don't let the pursuit of the perfect block the adoption of the good.

+1

Perhaps I should have elaborated, my apologies.

Well of course null by default is certainly 'lawless' in terms of game mechanics since there is no CONCORD or NPC-enforced artificial rules. The sovereignty mechanics were intended to enable groups of players to carve out their own territory however, and part of owning a territory is being able to enforce their own rules in those areas (by definition creating their own laws). Take CVA Providence, for example - that, by game definition is technically 'lawless', but in reality there are strict rules (laws) enforced by CVA and her allies that are punishable by the owners of the territory.

Lowsec on the other hand can't be claimed at all, yet CONCORD and the other NPC authorities don't intervene. Therefore it's basically a lawless fringe frontier between highsec and nullsec. Gate and station funs are defending the territory surrounding the assets they are assigned to protect kind of like security guards, they aren't really a police force as such.

To be honest, I've always found the gate and station sentry mechanics to be very disjointed and illogical. I suppose this whole concept comes down to what is perceived to be intended and what game mechanics allow.

I like that you referenced CVA. That's actually a very good example of what I'm saying - they can't claim any sov or make use of the benefits that come with it and yet through their own efforts the Providence region very clearly belongs to them. If they don't mind you being there then you'll be left in peace (by them, anyway) and if they want to kick you out then they have the means at their disposal to try and do exactly that.

There's no particular reason why Grr Goons can't maintain a deathgrip on the areas of space they now control - from what little I know of them they're certainly more than organized enough for it. Other alliances that can get organized should (in theory) be able to accomplish similar results with their own space - unless they can't defend it, in which case I think we all agree they should lose it anyway. Combine that with docking/taxes/services at conquerable stations and outposts remaining the way they are now and I absolutely believe you have a recipe for a significantly more dynamic (and dangerous) nullsec.

Obviously no sov does raise the issue of supercap production but that problem can be better solved by someone who actually likes them.

I like the reasons.

Whether that's what the this change will produce is probably a much longer study.

I see two key issues with this,

-The Blob Rules: Who ever can function under the largest gang and hell camp hardest can claim any territory they wish.

This is pretty much directly opposed to what you want for controlling space as it turns everything back to the old BoB standard or a Swarm overlordship.

-Wars of attrition kill markets in null-sec: If we want to get people out of High-sec and into the real game, there needs to be a level of stability and control for resource gathering and production supplying the engines of WAR.

Back in 09 there was a fairly dumb but accurate post by Mittani about Industrial backbones. It was more profitable for CFC to export moongoo and import ships from Jita simply because of how much money the Monopoly on Moons brings up prices.

In short, the money spent of JF's carriers, and supply chain management outweighed any effort in a local industrial platform because of the set-up time, inner cultural conflict("Kill all Rock touching Filth wizards"), and the concept of wanting every available unit of Manpower for combat over resource generation and production.

A large part of this is due to the vast amount of ISK generation possible in null space because they own and guard moderately every gateway to core systems.

When Stargate pooping comes, this might be a real option, but until then **** that noise.

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To tl;dr

Doesn't change really anything save the lack of actual possibility to control and protect where you live, disallows any real diplomatic agreements outside of what already exists, and doesn't really let any growth or development of where you choose to live.

All of this coupled with the fact that you can't really 'live' in null if someone will just hell camp you out of your outpost because they too can just dock up against right in your home.

Bring Military and Indy to 5 you gain control of that system progressively more.